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1 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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24 September planning commission meeting at six oh 2pM. Staff. Can we get
a roll call? Cherry Young here. Vice Cheers Iger. Present. Commissioner
Shore, it, it has an excused absence. Commissioner Stanley? Present.
Commissioner Kedrowski. Absent. Commissioner Melma.
2 "Walker Mellema" (1205018624)
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Yes, I'm here. Perfect, and we can hear you and.
3 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The council champers two and commissioner McMillan here ok so tonight we
are going to have a public hearing, but we will also have a regular
public comment period. So.
4 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So 1st we'll accept any general comments before we do the public hearing
not related to the public hearing. So if there's anyone in the audience
or on the sign up sheet that we need to get, that wants to make a public
comment not related to the public hearing, please come on up.
5 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Is there anyone on the phone tonight? Or, any calling or anyone online?
Not yet. Okay. Empty. Okay. All right, so so I guess I I officially
opened the public calling period.
6 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Anyone? No. Okay, so I'm closing the public period. And at this time
we'll move on to approval of minutes can I get in a a motion?
7 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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A motion to approve, is there a second? My second? Okay it's been moved
in seconded to approve the minutes of 27 August. Any comments? Yes, I
have one very small correction. Under discussion draft housing action
plan review. My name is Miss smith.
8 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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My heart, that's the only thing ok staff has that. All right. Any other
comments at the minutes?
9 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Nope. All right, team one, we'll do a consent vote. Are there any
objections and emotion to approve the minutes with the changes requested
by commissioner Steer? Hearing NO objections, the minutes have been
approved.
10 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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All right, so now we're gonna move on to the public hearing. So I have to
read a spiel about this. This evening we we will be having a hearing for
the municipal code amendment 2050 01:24. To include definition of co
living and adding the use to specific residential.
11 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Showing commercial zones in title 17. Before we begin, for the sake of
appearance of fairness, I'd like to ask the commission if any of you
stand to gain financially from this decision. If so, you may want to
recuse yourself.
12 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Seeing none, ok. This hearing will start with the presentation by staff,
after which point I'll open the public comment period, the public
hearing. Each member of the public will have 3 min to provide public
comment. Once public comment has completed I will close the public
hearing.
13 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The planning commission will discuss proposed amendments and staff will
be available for any questions or clarifications that commissioners may
have. If there are NO questions, I will entertain a motion and
discussion. So at this time staff, you can keep your presentation.
14 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And before I start, I'd like to note that commissioner Kedroski is online
now. All right. Good evening planning commission. My name is Jaylan Bodo
I'm the housing administrator and an associate planner for the City of
Port Angeles, and tonight I will be talking about MCA municipal code
update or amendment 2501.
15 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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125 co living housing, title 17 code revisions.
16 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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A quick agenda, tonight I'll be talking about the background about co
living housing, the benefits of co living housing, share our draft code
revisions, our process for, the state environmental Policy Act, SIPA, the
comment summary of the public comments that we've received and end with a
staff recommendation for.
17 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Planning commission. So some background for you. In 2024, the Washington
State legislature passed RCW 3670A 05:35. This is part of the growth
Management Act in March.
18 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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2025, the Washington State Department of Commerce released co living
guidance for jurisdictions planning under the growth Management Act. RCW
2670A 05:35 will require all cities and counties planning under the
growth Management Act to allow co living where six or more.
19 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Multifamily residential units are permitted on a lot. Cities and counties
have until 31 December 2025 to adopt a co living regulation and
ordinance. What are the co living housing benefits? Co living housing
can.
20 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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List of independently rented sleeping units with shared kitchen
facilities offering a cost effective option at the lower end of the
private housing market. It alleviates pressures on publicly funded
affordable housing by providing affordable options for low income
residents. This type of housing is ideal for individuals looking to
reduce costs who enjoy communal living spaces or live in desirable, want
to live in desirable neighborhoods without expensive rents. It also meets
the need.
21 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Of seniors who miss downsized or prefer a more social environment
especially in walkable areas. Co living housing accommodates diverse
income levels, including low income households while adhering to the
state building code and ensuring health and safety standards.
22 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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By situating co living housing near transit hubs and amenities, it
promotes walkability, shortensed commutes, and supports greenhouse gas
reduction goals. Additionally, smaller units are inherently more energy
efficient saving residents money and reducing the state's overall energy
demand.
23 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So what are city staff proposing? In title 1708 oh two oh, we are adding
a definition of co living housing. To read as a residential development
with units that are independently rented and lockable that provide living
and sleeping space where kitchen faci.
24 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Abilities are shared with other residents in the building. Co living
housing does not apply to short term rentals and co living housing is
also known as home sharing. In addition to this definition, we are also
adding co living housing as a permitted use in R7R 9R11 residential.
25 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The medium density, residential, high density, commercial office,
commercial neighborhood commercial arterior, commercial business district
and community shop district.
26 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And the picture on the slide is a representation of what code living
could look like with several suites and shared kitchen space. A EPA
checklist was sent on 3 September and was assigned the file number 25.
27 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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50140 and a SIPA determination of non significance was issued on 10
September 2025. The 14 day SIPA comment period ends today and after the
public hearing there's a 21 day appeal period after the issue date.
28 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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For the co living housing municipal code update, there were four public
comments that were received and they, they varied. Some had concerns with
the RCW 3678 05:35 interpretation, asked for clarification of the co
livings.
29 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Flash home sharing and also advocated for legal home sharing designation.
City staff have taken into account these public comments and have made
revisions to the municipal code in response to the public comment and our
revisions included edits to the house.
30 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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In co living housing definition as to not conflict with the building code
and we also made additional edits to be more inclusive of home sharing.
31 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The last slide is a staff staff recommendation. Staff recommends that the
planning commission recommends the city council adopts municipal code
update 250124 for revisions to title 17, adding a co living housing
definition and listing co living housing as a permitted use in.
32 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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R7R 9R11, RMD, RHD, CO C N CA, CBD, and CSC zones. Thank you, and I am
available for questions if needed. Thank you very much staff.
33 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Alright, so thank you for the presentation. Now we will open the public
hearing. So at this time, opening the public hearing, is there anyone in
the audience or online?
34 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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That would like to make a comment. Let me let me give some instructions
that are on my my list here. As I stated before, those in person should
have signed up to make a comment. Those of you on virtual Webex audio, we
will need you to raise your hand virtually.
35 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And use, using the hand button at the bottom of the pane. Those on a call
will need to press three to raise your hand. Staff will be able to unmute
those with raised hands. Please press the raise hand button or number
three to lower it again. Please limit your comments to 3 min. There is a
timer at the podium that will turn yellow in 1 min.
36 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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It remains in red when your 3 min period has ended. For those attending
virtually, I will keep time myself. The public hearing is now open.
37 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And just for clarification, anybody, we don't have anybody online right
now, right? No one online and NO one in that's present would like to
speak. So, I'd also like to make sure you all know that Dallas has been
having some issues in and out, but he's here now. He's been in and out.
38 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So hopefully he's able to stay with us the rest of the meeting. Okay. All
right. Alright, at this time I'm closing the public hearing, and now
commissioners, I invite you to questions to get to I'll invite any
questions of staff comments that you may have on the proposed amendments
or entertain emotion and discussion.
39 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Of proposed title 17 code amendments.
40 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The comment period for the public hearing is over. Yeah, we'll discuss
the, the co living amendment and then move on to a motion. So I'll start.
41 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Mr. Stanley, any comments? Sure just briefly, I I see NO issues here.
Obviously this is mandated by the state and this makes a lot of sense to
me as a way to merge it into our local regulations. And I think it co
learning housing actually makes extra sense here.
42 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Especially because we have a college and that's basically what college
housing is, is being able to share moves in a house, so i'm glad we're
making it official. So I'm in full support. Thanks. Commissioner Stager.
Yeah, I'm very much in support in general. I just wanted to clarify some
trying to make sure I understand. I definitely agree with some of the
feedback from, I know Nancy had an email in there.
43 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So just to clarify, does it still limit it to six units or does it just
state co living in a more broad term? The text that you saw on the
presentation is our current definition of co living and it applies to all
residential zones and all.
44 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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What commercial sounds? As it stands. Okay, I don't know how much we want
to get into the weeds, but I was reading another sections about
permitting for these type of things. Are we gonna, is that a part of this
or is this just mainly the overarching we're putting this in?
45 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So yes, we're putting this into code as the zoning allowance. There would
still be building permits required as with anything if there were
modifications made to a house to allow co living, specifically you get
into some sort of group living scenarios within the international codes,
so it can depend on how many people there.
46 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Gonna be in each house. So, I mean, odds are that we wouldn't even know,
right? If I rented out a room to a coast guard guy or something like
that. But I guess I want to make sure that we don't end up where now my
neighbor could report me and now I didn't file a permit and now it's this
big complicated thing. So what does that look like.
47 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Look like in practice in an existing home where someone wants to. I think
if you're making modifications to the building, like construction
modifications to the building is where It's just a lockdoor and we don't
hear about it and we don't find a code violation there, then there's not
gonna be an issue. Gotcha. Okay, awesome. I just want to make sure we
weren't unintendedly, you know, making some weirdness there.
48 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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That those are my only comments, I really support this, so thank you.
Okay, commissioner McMillan. Yeah, I think this is a great, plan as well.
My question is about the six units. Why six? Yeah.
49 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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That is just what is the language in the RCW itself, it distinguishes,
and this is the actual language from the RCW, it's cities and counties
planning under this chapter must allow co living housing as a permitted
use on any lot located within an urban growth area that allows at least
six multi family.
50 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Residential units including lot zone for mixed use development. So that's
the whole sentence. In our definition of co living six units isn't in
that language itself. So the the reason we chose the zones we did was
because those zones are the, the zones that allow for six or more units
on one lot. So all of those zones would allow that R seven node and
above, and then our commercial.
51 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So what if there's a home next to the college and they're renting out
four of their bedrooms to college students? How does that relate to this
or is that a separate? So I don't think we're putting minimums on it. No,
it's more a state you have to at least.
52 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Just allow this, we're not putting any sort of, you can't have more than
six but in a residential zone, that doesn't allow six units, this would
not be allowed. Are you saying because it's not written in our code, it
says nothing about six, so we don't regulate family size anymore, which
that can.
53 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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They also mean unrelated individuals living together so well it said six
units in the state language, but. My guess it probably came from other
jurisdictions that might have requirements for that. That's like a bare
minimum from the state. Yeah, and I understand that I guess the, just for
make sure that we're clear, if there's a.
54 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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A residential zone that only allows four units. Now, I was mistaken it's
it's for every residential zone. Okay, yeah. Yeah, because we have zones
that only allow four units, right?
55 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Well, I think the states requires that you allow four minimum now, right?
My single family zone requires No, it's dependent upon city size. Right
now, our R eleven and R nine zones allow duplexes and two 80 years. So
four units, two, yeah, four units, you know, two being adus.
56 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So in that case, would you be, would we allow co living? We allow co
living according to this ordinance, we would allow co living in every
school. And that's how I thought it was, but I just started to get
concerned. So whether it's next to the college, the only dependency is
the zone.
57 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So yeah Cool. Okay, any other comments or questions from the commission?
No. Okay, well I think we could entertain emotion. Oh, we have a, oh, you
got a hand up. All right. Go ahead Dallas.
58 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Can you guys hear me ok? My internet has been kind of spotty, but I think
I might get it now. My main question was, I think this is only required
in zones that allow six units or more by the time.
59 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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State law. So, are essentially we are going beyond what's required in the
state law by allowing co living and zoning that is not six. Is that
correct?
60 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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It is.
61 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Okay, thank you. I just wanted that clarification.
62 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Commissioner Melma.
63 "Walker Mellema" (1033674496)
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Yeah, I just I, I support this idea. I think it's a great way to provide
affordable housing to those who need it. I had a question about co
living, I guess design. I just want to make sure I understand what we're
talking about. So let's say we have five units that are.
64 "Walker Mellema" (1033674496)
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Rented out, they have a shared kitchen, but individual bathrooms, is that
a requirement or an expectation? Do they just have like a sleeping and a
living area or is the living area communal? Are there any designs
requirements around that?
65 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The requirement is lockable units and a shared kitchen space. Backgrounds
can be shared or, individual.
66 "Walker Mellema" (1033674496)
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Okay, and so you could have a a shared living space or individual living
spaces, you know, like a, a living room, e.g.. That's great. Okay, thank
you.
67 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Okay, any other comments? All right, NO other comments. This time we can
entertain a motion.
68 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I'll motion that the planning commission recommend the city council adopt
MCA 20 five-0124 for revision to title 17, adding a co living housing
definition and listing co living housing as a permitted use in R7R 9R11
RMD, RHDCOCINCA CBD.
69 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And CSD zones. Alright, there's a motion on the tables in a second.
70 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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A second. All right, it's been moved a second and can we get a roll call
load? Cherry Young? Yes. Yes. Commissioner Sanley? Yes. Commissioner
McMillan? Yes. Commissioner Melma.
71 "Walker Mellema" (1033674496)
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Yes. Commissioner Kedroski?
72 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Yes. And.
73 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Commissioner Short? All right, it passes unanimously. Okay, so moving on
to agenda item number two, the discussion of the draft housing action
plan. I don't believe staff has any.
74 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Presentation for us on this, is that correct? No presentation. This is
just a chance for us to look at like what was provided in the packet, and
discuss any, any comments we had especially the the public comments that
were.
75 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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That were provided so we'll open that up here and give you guys a chance
to look at it again, but I can just say overall, we've, you know, we
really show this list of all the things we're trying to do to make
changes and.
76 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Although, one could argue there's different things you could do. I I
think staff in the community are trying to find ways to solve this issue
and even though there's some other larger pressures outside of us that
like interest rates or just market trends or investment, things that are.
77 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Make it much more difficult than maybe some other areas between these,
you know, tax advantage situations and different grants, really trying to
make changes here as well as all the zoning changes that have made in the
last few years, so.
78 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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No one can say we're not trying, trying to make a real difference here,
but always open to criticism and and pushing further as much as we can.
So I'm I'm proud of what we're doing and and want to keep moving in the
right direction. So any comments from commissioners? See commissioner
mcmilla or Melama, sorry.
79 "Walker Mellema" (1033674496)
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Sorry, I, I raised my hand for the last topic.
80 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Okay, commissioner Cadrovski.
81 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Yeah, thank you. I think I totally agree, I think we're doing an awesome
job. I think the planning Commission has done a great job of pushing this
forward and trying to make changes that will allow for more housing and
the planning staff has done a great job as well. I think one area I'd
like to see some more detail in is prioritizing certain things because I
feel like in some ways we do have some conflicting priorities like.
82 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Sidewalks and trees and power meters and stuff like that. And typically
historically when those things kind of run into each other as far as when
you're, you know, can I do this or can I do this? A lot of times those
other things win and then the house doesn't get built.
83 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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So I think we really need to prioritize some of this stuff in the code
and say what takes priority priority when those two things come head to
head? Is it the house? Is it the sidewalk? Is it the power meter? Is it
the tree? You know, those kinds of things. And I think we, we, you know,
we've done a lot of work to prioritize housing, and I think we need to
kind of clarify that a lot.
84 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Little bit further. So that's something that I, the only criticism I
would have is that, sometimes the, the intent doesn't always get carried
through into the letter of the law. And, I think that needs to just be a
little bit more clear here that the housing is the priority cause I think
that's what we're talking about.
85 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other comments? I'm not sure if this is
the place for this comment, but, I was listening to some coworkers talk
this week, just feeling kind of frustrated they own some land and we're
comp.
86 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Explaining about like fees that are associated with having land that
doesn't have like home on it. So I'm not sure if that addresses that in
our action plan, but I just wanted to think about what I hear from the
community and bring it to the team. And I think we're doing a great job.
Staff you have any comments on that? I know you wouldn't know the
specific part property, but describing having fees just for having
vancant land.
87 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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No, that's just a council led program that 1st it's been the that their
1st phase that they've enacted is allowing fees for all meters regardless
of the the the utility is active or not. Phase two is in discussion right
now. It may deal with vacant.
88 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Plant. That's all I know for now. So if the vacant land has a watermeter
or something that's probably where this fees to be a pipe in front of it,
it's gonna be, you know, the scappin. I'll also mention that for
commissioner Katroski that part of this whole process is prioritizing
these.
89 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Tasks and so we like last night we had a work session with the city
council and we asked them about their prioritization, so it's definitely
a part of the conversation that's happening through this plan and we hope
that the plan will be appropriately prioritized based on public feedback
and council direction when it's adopted.
90 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Yeah, Commissioner Steger, this gets very specific and I don't think
that's the goal of this exact moment, but just to clarify, I'm looking at
this chart that shows households and housing units.
91 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I recognize that guy. And I was just looking at it a little bit closer
and I'm not sure it's showing what I expected to show for less than 30 %
AMI up through 80 % AMI.
92 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Did I go one more? Let me just make sure Bear with me just 1 s, I want to
make sure I'm getting you factually correct. Did you say the page number
you're on? Yeah, it's 38. Thank you.
93 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Bear with me, just 1 s. I'm so sorry.
94 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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It, something seems out of whack when I'm looking at this that we have
3745 housing units in the 50 to 80 %, but only 1710 for households.
95 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And it feels to me like we're way below and in other parts of the planet
talks about how this demographic we need to get more housing built, but
this seems to show the the inverse of that, that we have too much of it.
Am I am I reading this?
96 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Correctly, I think what this chart is showing is that it's, it's basing
the housing supply on the, the income that the person has or the family
has, the group. And so in some.
97 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Demographic groups, there is an oversupply and others there is an
undersupply, and so what's happening is that those that are undersupplied
at a lower income level are probably utilizing the housing that's in that
50 to 80 % AMI, but they're paying way above their 3rd.
98 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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3 % income, so they're cost burdened. And you have those that are above a
hundred percent AMI that have a lack that are utilizing something that's
below their, below their needs for their income level.
99 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
00:30:18.329 --> 00:30:37.349
So what's happening is that the the 50 to a hundred are those housing
units are being squeezed to shift. Yeah. So I mean that it's monstrating
that we need to build all types of housing. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Okay.
I'd also add that, figure six, this, this.
100 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The graph is from just showing data from 2020, so, current data may have
shifted and this is just a point in time. Got it. Okay, thank you. Any
other comments?
101 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Alright, gonna move on then, to discussion item number three, the
comprehensive plan and housing, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's ok. I don't mean
to be stuck on this.
102 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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But when I total up housing units and households, we actually have over
700 more housing units than we do in households. So I don't know, if this
seems to show stuff that kind of makes sense but then also doesn't make
sense. So I'm just worried if we're throwing this in there that something
seems.
103 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Weird with this because we definitely don't have 500 more housing units
than we need in this town. We are definitely short of housing units. So
we actually do, we have about 8 % vacancy rate in Port Angeles right now
that demonstrated what they what the census Bureau would consider vacant
housing is about 8 % of the housing stock right now.
104 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Does that include snowboard snowboards, not snowboards. There's a small
portion of that yes, and so that vacancy just taken into account. Second
homes, those sorts of things. So I'm just thinking as far as rental units
available and homes for sale would nowhere near 500 or anything there,
but ok I'm sorry to get stuck on this. I just my brain started processing
here. I imagine a lot of those were bloated properties that would need.
105 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Significant renovation to an individual occupancy. Yeah, there's there's
a mix of that and the you know the the houses that are second homes that
are lived in only in certain parts of the time, that's the census
accounts for that. And then also homes that have been they're on, they're
not on the market, they're not the person isn't that owns it isn't
planning on renting it. It's just remained vacant.
106 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
00:32:47.159 --> 00:33:07.159
So it's a mix. We can, if you'd like, we can provide you with some
statistics outside, you know, in an email. I'm always game for but I
think we can get off this and thank you for for letting me go down this
path. I have all that stuff available. It's, it's all part of it. I mean
it's complicated and it's, there's nobody gonna be a very.
107 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
00:33:07.159 --> 00:33:29.579
It's a missing target, yeah. For sure. Yeah, especially the economy
changes. Okay, alright, we are gonna move on now to discussion topic
number three, comprehensive plan and housing action plan, public public
comment review. Staff.
108 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Present. Okay, I'd like to introduce everybody. Okay, I'd like to
introduce everybody to our newest planner. Angel Tores. He's our new long
range and special projects associate planner, and he has.
109 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Been here for a month and he's jumping in right now. We've tasked him
with just taking a look at all of the thousands of public comments that
have been made, you know, crunching all the data, and he's, he's had
we're on our way to to getting this to you in this the staff report, but
we wanted to.
110 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Do this beforehand for both of our housing action plan and the
comprehensive plan public comment just to give you an idea of like the
direction that it's going so you know we could focus on the, the, the,
the documents themselves when we get to the public hearings. So with that
I'll give it a to him. You're welcome to Angela if you want to tell us a
little bit about yourself.
111 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
00:34:30.169 --> 00:34:36.029
You're more than welcome where you're from or which background is.
112 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Good evening, everyone. I was gonna introduce myself, but, yeah, my name
is Angel. I am originally from New York I've thrown up in the state,
joined the, joined the military army bet, came back in 2016 and went to
school and now I'm here.
113 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Glad to be here and I look forward to all the great work that we're gonna
do for the city. All right, you're welcome. Next slide please. So tonight
my presentation is designed to walk you through the journey of public
input that has shaped the current draft.
114 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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For a comprehensive plan. From my understanding, this will be reviewed
for a few of you, but also new information also.
115 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So the purpose here is threefold. Firstly, to review our comprehensive
public engagement efforts, who we talk to and how we listened. From there
we'll evaluate how the current draft aligns with the community's
priorities and concerns that emerged from the outreach and.
116 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Finally, we will briefly identify opportunities where the plan can
further refine, can further be further refined on this extensive
feedback. Next slide please. So to start, it's it's crucial to understand
the foundation of our engagement process.
117 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Our goals as outlined in the community engagement program were to foster
a productive citywide conversation, build awareness of the plan itself,
and essentially elevate the voices of communities that are often
underrepresented in planning processes such as people of colored renters,
and low income individuals. Our outreach targeted a wide spectrum of
audiences from the general public to our vital partners and tribal
governments.
118 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Local agencies like the port and school district, and our own elected and
appointed officials. This wasn't just about fulfilling a requirement. It
was about building a plan that reflects the real needs and aspirations of
our entire community. Next slide please.
119 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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To reach these diverse audiences, we employed a broad and integrated set
of strategies. We cast the wide net with the citywide visioning survey
that was also mailed out with utility bills. We convened a stakeholder
advisory committee with representatives from across the community to
serve con to serve as consistent as a consistent sounding board.
120 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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We conducted targeted confidential interviews with subject matter
experts. A corner store, a cornerstone of our early outreach was a three
day immersive storefront studio downtown, which allowed for informal
dropping conversations and interactive workshops.
121 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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We also held formal open houses and even neighborhood waps to discuss
planning issues and context. Finally, we went to wear the community
gathers posting pop up tables at events like farmers, markets, and, and
concerts have appear and presented directly to civic groups who requested
it.
122 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. The result of these diverse activities was a truly
comprehensive engagement effort. We received approximately 1400 responses
to our initial citywide visioning survey.
123 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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When we released the 1st draft of the plan, we received over 730
additional online responses with hundreds of written comments. Our
stakeholder advisory committee met six times to provide deep consistent
feedback, and across all the targeted interviews pop up events and civic
group presentations.
124 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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We had hundreds of meaningful direct conversations with the community.
Next slide please. So through this outreach, our analysis revealed six
dominant and reoccurring themes that truly validate our core planning
challenges.
125 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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In short, these are the urgency of the housing crisis coupled with
polarized views on solutions, a clear and consistent priority for missing
middle housing options, broad and enthusiastic support for thoughtful
density that fits within neighborhoods.
126 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And significant frustration with the city's permiss permitting process
and overall development costs. A strong fix and a strong fixed 1st
mentality regarding infrastructure and vacant properties. And ultimately,
most importantly.
127 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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At least to me, a deep and unway brand commitment to maintaining Port
Angeles city quality of life. Next slide please. So how's does this
feedback connect to the draft that we present before you? The plan
already incorporates policies that address these themes.
128 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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For the fixed 1st mentality, the land use element priorities prioritizes
info and focuses on the rare near site. To address frustration with
processes, the plan introduced subjective design standards and removes
residential parking minimums to lower costs.
129 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The public feedback also highlighted opportunities for refinement. We
recommend we make the link between land use and infrastructure capacity
more explicit and that we strengthen the implementation element with
specific measurable actions to streamline our processes.
130 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. It's also important to acknowledge that some
reoccurring themes while significant require operational responses rather
than a long range policy updates governed by the growth Management Act.
131 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Concerns regarding immediate public safety enforcement levels and the and
the delivery of specific social services are considered operational
issues. The city absolutely acknowledges these community concerns and
will continue to address them through our operational strategies,
budgeting, and regional partnerships.
132 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide please. In conclusion, the May 2025 draft incorporates goals
and policies that address many of the dominant themes we heard from the
public. The feedback has also reviewed clear opportunities to strengthen
the plan.
133 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I'm for that, thank you, and I'm now available for your questions. Okay,
thank you guys a second. I gotta put you guys on the spot, but you
brought the missing middle and.
134 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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People in the community may not fully understand what that means or how
useful that is. So can, can someone up there kind of give us a broad
strokes understanding of the missing middle? Sure, the missing middle
housing is, you know, it's buzzworthy, but it's basically looking at
housing that's outside of your what can you know traditional single
household development.
135 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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All the way up to like three story, apartment development, so that it's
really focused on infill development and providing housing in areas that
already may see development but could increase the intensity of that
development. It also has to do with looking at areas that have that
capacity.
136 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The infrastructural capacity to incorporate larger developments where
there aren't any two. Thank you. Sorry to put you on the spot. I was
getting much helpful in that. Then the up zoning component of the
comprehensive plan that we're looking at and and that flows into that,
doesn't it? That getting that up zoning in different areas. Yes, so the
raising the intensity.
137 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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In strategic areas as a part of that missing middle yes. I would also say
that Port Angeles has done a decent job so far, like providing for
infilled housing, but there's still a lot more work to do and basically
they it's it's more of a utility capacity issue now, so it's really
prioritizing those areas where.
138 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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We can strategically think about where that development should go where
it's best suited. So that's what we're working on now. Correct me if i'm
wrong, but it's, is it fair to say that that missing middle, the reason
we say missing is there's a reason it's missing either zoning.
139 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Obviously zoning policy and then just investment intensity in that.
That's correct. Yeah, it's just the the development of the patterns that
have happened over the last 50 years really haven't focused on,
developing units outside of those single household units. More, the
preference was towards single family unit.
140 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Single email zoning. Cities across Washington State are obviously dealing
with those issues and Seattle's a garden city with quite a lot of single
household development and they're struggling right now to find places
that can accommodate it.
141 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And, you know, the public is voicing their opinions as well. Yeah. Okay.
Any comments from commissioners? Commissioners Stagger. Does the missing
mental, does that also I, I.
142 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Felt like that more spoke to workforce housing as opposed to low income
or high income. Is that a fair or am I miss I'm just a more curiosity
question. I think it can encompass all of it. Honestly, I don't think
there's any prejudice towards any type of housing as long as it's more
about the density and the intensity.
143 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Gotcha. Okay, I think that it's important to integrately like develop all
of those things together and we're looking into allowing those sorts of
things as well for this plan. Equity is a, you know, it's the major issue
for the plan. So equity and housing availability and access to all
different types of things in the city.
144 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Okay. Angel I'm curious on the housing crisis urgency, it says polarized
solutions. Can you give us any examples or is it just kind of all over
the board on that side of things? So yes on.
145 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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On one side of the coin, we had strong support for that thoughtful
density, just allowing for infill and construction of of properties that,
take into account the the neighborhood character or the city's character.
And on the.
146 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Other side was kind of a more firm stance in believing that through a
specific policy change zoning updates it codes it code enforcement that
that was kind of a kind of a solution, the two main conflicting points. I
wouldn't say conflicting because it was on the same, you know, topic but
just paths to solving the issue.
147 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Oh, I will say that in our community I think a lot of people have, if you
ask them to say, Yeah, we want more housing. And then we said, well, what
if we increase the zone in your neighborhood? And.
148 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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People might be a little more hesitant then, but I think a lot of the
changes we're trying to make seem somewhat radical, but in reality, you
still wouldn't see much changes too many neighborhoods. You might see an
ADU in the backyard. You might see it, see a duplex pop up. And in the
neighborhoods where they already allow that, you can barely tell they're
there there's areas with six plexes that.
149 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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But I have walked by many times and oh, I didn't even realize that. So a
lot of that intensity change is gonna be speckled throughout the city,
but all that matters it helps. And the reality is when we don't allow
that up zone, we're saying we're telling people they don't have the right
to live in a duplex. That's what we're saying. It's, it's hard to see it
that way, but we're taking away someone's ability to live there cause.
150 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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If someone wants to build it, there's a reason to build it. They think
that someone wants to live there, and when we say NO, we're saying, you
don't get to make that choice. And you're making the choice for someone
else's property. And in the city we do make an agreement to make.
151 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Definitely some decisions on what's happening in our neighbor's property,
but when it's that blatant, I can't, you know, sit by and and watch that
and I think that's ok in, you know, in my own neighborhood I'd i'd loud
even if I didn't want it because of that because we we want to provide a
place where people can live.
152 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Commissioner Kadrowski.
153 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Yeah, I believe, I believe there was a model ordinance put out by the
Department of Commerce that has specific definitions for middle housing,
and I don't know that we adopted those, but I believe that there was very
specific definitions of what qualified as.
154 "Dallas" (1736091392)
00:47:38.390 --> 00:47:47.525
Little housing in that model ordinance if I'm not correct, if I'm not
wrong there.
155 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The Department of Commerce does have guidance for middle housing yes.
Whether or not we gave definitions would take me a minute to look into
it, but I know that we did, we are like very focused on that type of
housing, so.
156 "Dallas" (1736091392)
00:48:03.212 --> 00:48:33.793
And then second question, is this also we're discussing the zoning
changes that were proposed at our last meeting? So one of the things I
wanna discuss is what is the reasoning behind requiring or putting in so
much more commercial zoning into the current plan when we are supposed to
be prioritizing housing, and it seems like there's not much demand for
commercial properties currently.
157 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
00:48:33.793 --> 00:48:50.760
I can answer that. So the, what you're probably speaking of is a change
from R seven to commercial office, and it's preparing the, preparing the
future zoning code amendment. So commercial office.
158 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Acts as R seven zoning, but with allowances for some limited, it's our
lowest intensity commercial zone. So those those residences that are
already there would be an allowed use. So there wouldn't be any issues
with non conformance, but it does allow for.
159 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Property owners to potentially change the use to a commercial use and
it's with the type of use that it is, it's more, it's lower intensity and
would, would connect more with the neighborhood. That said, we are going
through a potential, well we're going through a you know a look at our
title 17.
160 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Zoning in 2026 and that commercial office will probably turn into
something like a mixed use residential zone where it's residentially
focused, where the, the uses may not be mixed on site but they would meet
mixed adjacent to each other. So, again, it's it's basically just another
way of allowing for more diverse uses, more access to.
161 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Commercial uses while not trying to disrupt the existing, the land use
patterns.
162 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Yes, and I definitely appreciate the allowance for non conformance I
think that's definitely needed, but I don't think that answers the
question of why we think that commercial zones are gonna be needed in the
future and what was the reasoning being.
163 "Dallas" (1736091392)
00:50:21.110 --> 00:50:25.575
And why that was put in.
164 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
00:50:25.575 --> 00:50:54.212
Well, so commercial zones also allow for a higher some higher intensity
residential uses and so it allows for us to demonstrate to the Department
of Commerce that we have the capacity to provide the growth that's been
mandated for us to demonstrate. It's twofold basically. It's an
opportunity and it demonstrates our conformance with those growth
standards.
165 "Dallas" (1736091392)
00:50:54.212 --> 00:50:57.225
Great, thank you so much, Ben.
166 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Yeah, thank you. Maybe a couple of responses to some of the things that
have been talked about 1st and foremost just we were talking about
commercial zoning and I for support extending commercial zoning because
we've, you know, we've already established.
167 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The idea that all commercial zoning will have mixed use and we can we can
build housing on any property that's soned commercial. So to me it just
allows more flexibility and I think we certainly do need to prepare it in
the future to build more commercial properties around town especially if
we want to see increased density, we I think we're gonna wanna see.
168 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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New types of commercial properties that are walkable from different
neighborhoods. I think we also need to prepare for the idea that this the
sad idea that our downtown is in a flow plane, and at some point we may
need to have more commercial properties up on eight Street and C Street
and Lincoln and so on. So.
169 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I don't be a downer, but, I think that's I think that's good planning for
the future. Second, in terms of missing middle housing, I'm also in an
impression that it's it's basically just the idea of of any housing that
is not either a single family residence, usually like a suburban house or
one of these super.
170 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Actually apartment buildings that is 40 stories tall. I think there's
been a lack of business models that have been successful sort of in
between there, and most apartment housing we have is is basically just
super old housing. So trying to find ways where there's actually, market
based development and yeah like two to four story apartment buildings is
to me the the base task in front of everyone, and the biggest task for us
we really want to move the needle on housing in town. And that kind of
gets to my 3rd point. I know we're not really debating housing policy.
171 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Per se here when we're talking about the actual comments, but, some of
the comments were specifically about the multifamily builders training
series. This is one of the most exciting things to me in the updated
housing plan because I would, I think for a long time now I've really
wanted to see people take seriously the just the actual process of
building multifamily housing from, from the start of it to the finish,
not in terms of.
172 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Just in construction, but all the finances and and everything else that
goes into it. And so I'd love to see the series kick off and I just
wanted to sort of add that yes, I agree with the comments here, the
public comments that are talking about, the fact that this needs to be
focused on the pencilau, what's available here, what kind of supplies can
we realistically get here that are somewhat reasonable in costs and also
just, yeah, focusing on the future and possible innovative technology
cause it really does not seem, seems like we've really hit a.
173 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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To with our current standard building materials and and so yeah I would
love to see that and I just wanted to add that to me, one of the biggest
missing components in the idea of training multifamily builders is to
make sure that we have financing built in along the way. And I would just
love to see our local banks being part of that training series and being
at all those workshops and meeting builders and and understanding how we
can work together as a community. To me that's one of the biggest
connections we have to make to.
174 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Make this happen. So, i'd love to see that in the future. So those are
sort of three thematic comments and then finally, I just wanted to say, I
really appreciate staff correlating all these comments, getting this
together. I'm impressed that we got 1400 comments on this shows that
people really care about housing. So that's all really great. I think
this is.
175 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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It's all, this is, you know, this is a great plan overall, I just want to
say again not to be a total downer, but I just think that, and I've said
this before, but I just want to put on the record once again. It is
almost impossible for a place like the city of Port Angeles to move the
needle on housing. We need leadership from the state and the federal
level. We need financing at that scale and at that level to really make a
difference across our country in places like this. And so just again I
just want to put on the public record because we I feel.
176 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Like we've been going in going in circles for years and those are right
here and we just don't have the financial power to make this happen. So,
I would love to see that in the future and I'll stop there. Thank you.
Any other comments? 1st I'd like to say that this was a an amazing
presentation from a fellow of New Yorker, the best presentation I've ever
seen in my life. Thank you so much.
177 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Second, I would like to say, there's a lot of information here and,
they're general and seem to be spread out equally, but my question is,
what parts of this really got the most.
178 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Feedback from the community and what got people the most animated. And if
they shared with you their why, that would be really good to know as
well. Yep, so overall housing. Overall housing was the was the main
priority.
179 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Everyone, everyone, all agreed on the fact that we need more, and it
needs to be mixed in a way that preserves the city for what it is
currently. And I can speak to the longer process that's been going
ongoing, and just speaking to so many.
180 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Community members and different events that we're, you know, stationed at
as a listening post and just in general that it's housing, it's our parks
and open spaces to connection to those places and also transportation.
And because of what was going on, I will also say class recycling is very
important to the people of Port Angeles.
181 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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They'll say, but what about class recycling? That happens quite often,
so, but yeah, just as a gest but yeah definitely transportation parks and
housing were the top things that were spoken about that, you know,
wherever we were, those things were brought up. Those are what those are
the things that really are important to.
182 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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You know, the members of our community. Any other comments? Okay. All
right, not online. All right, moving on to discussion item.
183 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Number four, the UGA swap discussion. We actually have a, another public
comment discussion about the housing action plan that Jalin has planned
here. Okay. So we're hoping to give that presentation really quickly as
well. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay cause, yeah, it says it in at number three it
says both, so.
184 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Very exciting. Alright, and I'll try and make it quick. So this is a
summary of the housing action plan periodic update, public comment
review, and in this presentation, I will be going over the public
noticing procedures.
185 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The meetings and public presentations that we've done on the housing
action plan, a summary of the public comments and the changes being made
to the housing action plan.
186 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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All right. Engagement for the housing element and housing use assessment
started in September 2024. Likewise public engagement for the housing
action plan began, began in January 2025. Formal public noticing for the
land use application, comprehensive plan.
187 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Amendment 2050 01:12 was opened on Wednesday 24 September 2025 and it
closes on 22 October 2025 and was provided in the following manner. We
did an engagement notice on 8 August, a news flash for the draft housing
action plan.
188 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Publishing also on the 8th, and then today had it in the Pennslat Daily
News or submitted to the Pennsyla Daily News. Oh published in the
Peninsla Daily News on our city hall noticing board and on the city's
website. And just to make the point very clear.
189 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Our official public comment time frame starts today and ends at the
public hearing on 22 October. So we've been collecting public comments up
until now, but that's when folks can, officially submit it. And you'll
see on this lovely picture to the right, there's a familiar face there
but the city.
190 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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We also had a paid article in the PDN that ran in the 1st week of
September and this pointed folks in our community to the draft housing
action plan and asked for comments. The next draft of the housing action
plan is scheduled to be uploaded on our website on 10 October, and this
will have some of these comments and revisions.
191 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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In the new document. So public engagement, I have been out about in the
community and meeting with our affordable housing partners.
192 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I've met with pennic Behavioral health, the answer for youth or Taffy,
Habitat for Humanity of column County, Penincil Housing Authority,
Serenity House, and sergeant's veteran support. These are all community
organizations that provide.
193 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Permanent supportive housing, affordable housing or transitional housing
of some type. And for most of these organizations have met them twice
during this past year. In addition to these meetings with these
stakeholder groups, I've also done another.
194 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Number of public presentations at the stakeholder advisory committee, at
the planning commission, as you know, and at the Port Angeles Association
of Realities Government Affairs Group and their larger group as a whole.
In addition, housing was presented at the vision 2045 comprehensive plan
open house, a visioning survey, we collected housing stories and housing
questions were also asked in the general comprehensive plan survey.
195 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Okay, this is just a quick summary of some of the key themes, but if you
look at page 82 of the packet, you could see some more specific and in
depth comments. But some key themes from the public comments.
196 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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For the housing action plan where affordable housing needs and rental
concerns, housing supply, planning and strategy, supportive housing, and
services for unhoused residents, regulations, incentives, funding
mechanisms, there is a lot of discussion around blinded properties
renovations, and repairs.
197 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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In the public comment memo, there's a discussion of stakeholder and
partner organization's input, and then more generally folks had
recommendations about systemic issues that are happening nationwide in
the housing market.
198 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So, and I I didn't mention we received over 40 comments for the the
housing action plan through this engagement effort. What is city staff
doing to change and edit the next housing action plan, document, the
draft document? In the next iteration of the housing action plan, we are
hoping to include some more background information about the state of the
economy.
199 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Affordability and supply issues. There was an ask to talk about housing
solutions and how they can be achieved on a regional level, so we're
gonna put more emphasis on that. One comment asked for grant acquisition
strategy and how city staff will be identifying grants that are related
to housing.
200 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And ask for the Column County 2025 point in time results that speaks to
our unhoused population in column County. Clarifying information around
the housing pipeline pilot project and making sure that.
201 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The project is very clear in that the city's not doing construction and
only pre development work, and we're also not owning the property moving
forward. We hope to either lease the property or sell it for a nominal
amount.
202 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Better tracking of the permit ready plan programs is baked into the new
draft, connecting the blighted property reduction strategy with local
nonprofits and making sure that those two meshed together and as we
already.
203 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Mentioned the multifamily builders training series needs to be
specialized to focus on innovative technologies with building supplies
that are readily available in the peninsula. We are hoping to encourage
and explore using land trust models and also clarify the purpose and
position of the homelessness navigator position.
204 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And that's everything, and I'm open for questions if needed. Thank you.
Alright, so I'll have to admit that my other comments were kind of based
on both aspects here, the housing action plan and the comprehensive plan.
205 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I suspect others as well, but anyone have any comments after that
presentation? Yeah, Commissioner mccorn. That was a lovely presentation
today as well.
206 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I wanted to just kind of add under number four, we talked about down
payment assistance. One thing that I wanted to mention when we were
talking about it originally was some assistance for paying down interest
rates.
207 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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I don't know if we can put that in there somewhere, but if you can have
assistance with down payment, but you still can't afford the mortgage
because the interest rates are too high, then you're still in a
predicament, so.
208 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Yes. Unfortunately, I just don't think the city has the capability to be
able to be doing that funding. We have to, we rely on our local partners
to be able to help with that payment as.
209 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Distance goal, which is our local banks. Any comments? Oh, sorry let me
go back to Commissioner Kedrowski and come right back to you. Yeah.
210 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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Well, thanks, and thank you for that great presentation. Looks like
you've been running around all over the city meeting with everybody. But
what was the main feedback from the Port Angeles Association of Realtors?
211 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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They actually gave a very detailed amount of feedback, a letter to the
planning staff and city council. The Finangelist Association of
realities, some of the feedback that they gave is that they do not want
to see.
212 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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A homelessness navigator position, they don't want to see multifamily
builders training and, but on the flip side are very in support of a
blooded properties reduction strategy, the 09:35 housing pipeline project
and, there's one other one. And and the other thing that they said in
their.
213 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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My feedback was that a down payment assistance program isn't necessary
as, there's USDA loans that you can utilize and also our local banks are
already doing that, so that's some of the feedback.
214 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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That, the PAR gave us. In addition, they had some other concerns that
they brought up like they want a more emphasis on repair programs, and
had concerns about the balance between single family homes and middle
housing and in field development. That's their letter summarized, there's
so.
215 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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More information in the actual public comment memo itself, but let me
know if there's anything I could expand on.
216 "Dallas" (1736091392)
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So essentially it doesn't sound like they're very supportive of infilled
housing.
217 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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That, that is correct. Okay, commissioner mcmillet. I also wanted to
think about including the hospital when it comes to housing and housing
affordability, we tend to have a lot of turnovers.
218 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Because either people can't find housing or the housing that's available
is 2500 to $3000 a month or you can only find the landlord who will give
you a lease only during the winter months and then during the summer
you're out.
219 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Luck because they want to make it a short term rental. So that was the
other piece that I just wanted to highlight was also considering
affordable housing, not just related to your income but income to supply,
income to cost and some of the challenge.
220 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Changes that the hospital employees face as well.
221 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Okay. All right. Any other comments? I gave my spiel before that just
apply that spiel to this moment because it was about the same thing.
Thank you.
222 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Yay. All right. Moving on to discussion of the UGA swap staff alright
good evening. So my name is Shannon Cartnell and I am the community and
economic development manager for the City of.
223 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Port Angeles. Tonight I'll be presenting an overview of the proposed
urban growth area or UGA swap currently under consideration between the
city of Port Angeles and Columb County. This initiative is being reviewed
to ensure consistency with the state's growth Management Act while also
strategically guiding urban development to support housing,
infrastructure, and economic goals for our community. Next slide, please.
So 1st, a little background. A UGA is a designated.
224 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Good area where urban development is encouraged. Ugas are required under
the GMA and they're jointly managed by cities and counties through
comprehensive plans and development is typically steered towards these
areas with urban services such as water sewer and roads. Ugas can be
changed either during comprehensive plan updates or through annual.
225 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Amendments and those changes require approval from both the city and the
county. The two primary methods are a UGA expansion or a UGA swap. Next
slide please. So this map shows the Port Angeles UGA areas. As you can
see, it includes three areas. The two larger areas are the western and
eastern ugas, and the smaller areas of central UGA. Each of these areas
plays a role in accommodating future growth, but the world.
226 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Western UGA is the focus of today's discussion. Next slide, please. A UGA
swap means removing land from one part of the UGA and adding land
elsewhere. So the net size and capacity of the ugas stay the same. This
is especially useful when some UGA land is underutilized in an area.
227 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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While other regions face pressure for growth, a swap lets the county
realign the ugas without expanding the footprint. The GMA regulates this
process under RCW 3670A Next slide, please.
228 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So one of the si significant benefits of a UGA swap is that it preserves
active forest land. So this prevents the fragmentation of large tracks of
working forests and avoids development pressure in sensitive areas such
as wetlands streams, and steve slopes. Protecting these areas helps
sustain the environment natural resources.
229 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Courses and resource industries such as forestry that depend on them.
Next slide. The UGA UGA swap opens up land in areas that are far more
suitable for industrial and employment based development. This creates
opportunities for manufacturers and other job creating industries to
locate and expand here.
230 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Which in turn strengthen strengthens the local economy and provides
stable family wage jobs for residents. At the same time, the swap helps
maintain a healthy balance between housing and jobs. By designating land
in the western UGA for industrial and commercial uses, the city ensures
that as housing con continues to grow, there are also employment
opportunities needed.
231 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Nearby. This balance is balance is essential to building a strong
community where residents not only have a place to live but also access
to good jobs close to home. And because of the positive economic
development aspects of this proposed law, it is my understanding that
earlier today, the Cloudumn County Economic Development Council Board of
directors.
232 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Was voted to support the expansion of the city's western UGA using this
process. Next slide, please.
233 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So several key properties owned by the tribe are included in this
proposed UGA swap. By incorporating these areas into the UGA, the tribe
can pursue enhanced economic development opportunities that align with
the city's infrastructure. It strengthens partnerships and ensures growth
benefits both the tribe and the wider community.
234 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. So the Western UGA has active projects moving
forward. The city is working with partners to plan for extension of
utilities such as sewer, and there are large scale industrial
developments being planned. This means the swap supports real tangible
growth where investments are already happening.
235 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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By making this swap, both the city and clown County can better coordinate
infrastructure planning. This ensures that roads, utilities, and zoning
standards are in place to support new growth, making development more
predictable and cost efficient for everyone involved.
236 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. So some additional benefits of the UGA swap. 1st it
helps reduce sprawl by directing growth into concentrated well planned
areas rather than spreading development into rule or resource rich lands.
This creates an opportunity for the city and county to maximize land
efficiency and aligns.
237 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Zoning with long term development needs. Another benefit is the
strengthening of the tax space. The landary gained from the swap will
support sustainable city and county revenues contributing to long term
fiscal stability. Equally important, the swap increases predictability.
238 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Developers, businesses and the city all benefit when there's a clear
framework for where growth will occur. With infrastructure and zoning
already planned and if a swap moves forward further plans can be
developed, which reduces uncertainty and makes investments more secure.
Finally, the swap promotes regional coordination by working closely with
Clawn County, the city ensures that both jurisdiction.
239 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Are moving forward with shared goals and coordinated strategies. This
collaboration makes growth more efficient, less fragmented, and better
aligned with the region's long term vision. Next slide, please. Now,
let's talk about why a swap makes more sense than an expansion. With a
swap, we maintain UGA sized stability. Align the boundaries with actual
development patterns and alleviate pressure on rule or resource lands.
It's more flexible, feasible, and supports info development and efficient
use of existing.
240 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Using our planned infrastructure. Expansion by contrast is only allowed
if a capacity analysis shows insufficient buildable land. It comes with
higher service and infrastructure costs. Risks of converting agricultural
or forest land and must meet stricter GMI standards.
241 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. So for a swap to move forward several requirements
must be met. There can be NO net increase in size or capacity. New land
added cannot be designated long term resource lands and less than 15 %
can be critical areas. The land must be suitable for urban growth and
supported by transportation and facilit.
242 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Ability plans. Swapped areas cannot already be an urban and character.
The UGA must remain contiguous following county wide policies and meet
all RCW requirements. The city would carry out and county would carry out
this process under RCW 3670A 01:10 with a full public input and notice.
243 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. The city is actively preparing for this potential
swap through the ongoing comprehensive plan periodic update. Specific
steps include bi weekly coordination meetings with clown County's
community development department. Consultation with the Washington States
Department of commerce regarding statutory.
244 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Requirements. Integration of a UGA swap alternative into the SIPA
environmental impact statement ensuring a comprehensive analysis of
potential impacts with the expectation that cloud and County would adopt
the EIS for a consistency. Development of supporting policies and goals
within the comprehensive plan to ensure long term alignment between the
u.
245 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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GA swap in the city's broader growth strategy. Next slide, please.
246 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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So in terms of proposed future UGA changes, the primary action is the UGA
swap. This would reallocate approximately 252 acres of largely unused
land from the column Bay CQUGA shown in approximate location on this map,
and into the western UGA where growth demand and infrastructure.
247 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Capacity are better aligned. This reallocation balances growth where it
is needed most. Some other important considerations include development
standards and permitting. Streamlining updates and strengthening
coordination with cloum County to provide greater clarity and
predictability and zoning and development practices.
248 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Next slide, please. So this map shows the proposed area in the western
UGA. The gray area represents the current boundary and the blue area
shows the proposed swap. This reallocation would allow growth to occur
where it's most feasible and beneficial to the community. So in
conclusion, the UGA.
249 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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What proposal presents a policy sound and legally compliant approach to
managing urban growth. It preserves resource lands, leverages existing
infrastructure and positions the city and county to meet statutory
obligations under the GMA while supporting sustainable community
development.
250 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Thank you and I am happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you
very much. Comments? Thoughts? Commissioner Stanley? I have some
questions for clarification. I've always been kind of mentally tripped up
by the urban growth.
251 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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System we have here in the state, but so at 1st I was I'm confused
because it's like, we're talking about two different properties of a
county land, right? So this is not land that's currently in the city of
port Angeles. It is a county UGA. Okay, yeah. And so the idea here is
that even though our western.
252 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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G O is counting lands, it is in our comprehensive plan targeted to
eventually be part of the city of Port Angeles and that is why this
affects the city. Correct. Yes, this is a joint decision between the city
and the county, the county is the primary agency that would be.
253 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Essentially moving this forward with Department of Commerce in Washington
State because it is technically their jurisdiction, but we one day hope
to have plans for annexation, right? That's the point of a urban growth
area in the state of Washington is to eventually take it on as city
property.
254 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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And it's just just for clarification too like there are ugas in cloudlon
County that aren't incorporated like the cloudland base CQ UPA UGA. So it
is managed specifically by Cloudlon county. There's NO incorporation. The
same is with Carlsburg.
255 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Is a UGA that is managed by the county, but isn't incorporated. Okay,
yeah. So, so basically the UGO system in the state is that counties are
sort of specifying land that they see that their cities might expand to
in the future and that and that amount of land is regulated by state law.
So that.
256 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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It's in a certain amount, right? And so the idea is that one of these is
where it's gonna be future of expansion and now it's more targeted to
here. But again, I guess I was just like, why doesn't the county just do
this and.
257 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Not tell the city, but I guess it's it's just in good faith I guess to to
include the city at this time. And we do have to work together to plan
for infrastructure, you know, they, in order to make the swap actually
happen, we have to have infrastructure plans, so in that case we do have
to work together with the county to make it happen. And ultimately our.
258 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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The goal in presenting today is to have supporting documents so that our
comprehensive plan supports this change and there's not anything against
it, right? So it can happen in the future if it's desired by Cloudan
county. Okay. But is this, is this the kind of thing that needs to be
approved by city council?
259 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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To be included in the comprehensive plan because it's part of the plan
itself, but technically the county could do this without the city's
approval or NO? I think Technically yes, I think it would make it really
complicated if the city wasn't open to that idea. Okay. The way that I
see it happening with only a county is between you.
260 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Ugas that the county maintains without any incorporation? Okay. And then
sort of my next question is has have there been talks about like what the
timeline would be for the city of Portangeles Port Angeles's ugas?
Generally, like, is there a target date for accepting the western UGA
into the city of Port Angeles like based on.
261 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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You know, projections of infrastructure and everything like that.
262 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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Yeah, so throughout this comprehensive plan period process, we've been
talking a lot about our annexation schedules and everything and looking
at renegotiating with the county on how those different annexation phases
are done because right now, a lot of the reason why it hasn't happened is
they haven't made sense for it.
263 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
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For the annexation. You know, for an anaxation to happen, you have to
have it physically feasible to maintain by the city and the way it's
phased out right now and the way county land is currently developed in
the ugas does not support an annexation, so.
264 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:23:36.330 --> 01:23:57.270
Okay. We're basically through the comprehensive planning process, this
periodic update, we're setting the foundation for a future, our ability
to do this swap, and I believe that we're trying to do it within the 1st
two years of this periodic updates like of the 2025 periodic update, so.
265 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:23:57.270 --> 01:24:16.920
That's why it's in our EIS. The, the county's already done some economic
analysis that associated with it and so and our, you know, we're
incorporating some goals and we're incorporating policies and some
background into the the land use element of the comprehensive plan as
well to ensure that.
266 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:24:16.920 --> 01:24:36.920
On our side, we support that happening. Now the county also needs to look
at their countywide planning policies. There's other steps that need to
be taken in order to enact something like this. This hasn't been done in
Port Angeles ever, so this would be the 1st time. I don't know how often
a swap has occurred in County in general.
267 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:59.870
These, these unions were all determined in 1995 and they haven't really
changed because they're really hard to change. So this is this is a an
interesting endeavor and I think it's an opportunity for basically that
the land, the land that's in the collin base CQ area is mostly critical
areas Steve slopes.
268 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:24:59.870 --> 01:25:27.680
Since there's a lot of DNR land that would never be converted into kind
of an industrial land base that would support like that kind of a use.
And so we see that opportunity of keeping those areas the way, you know,
maintaining those critical areas and moving those potential jobs and, and
economic development to an area that has better transportation. It has
better connection to reaching utilities and also for trucking and and all
those things that come.
269 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:49.250
With industrial development. Okay, I just want to conclude by, you know,
thank you for that information that that's really helpful. And I was just
gonna say you're on paper considering the laws here, looking at
countywide management, I totally understand where, where this is coming
from. So on one level I think this makes sense. However I do have
concern.
270 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:25:49.250 --> 01:26:09.250
The considerable concerns about this, namely that the proposed area for
the expansion here in Port Angeles, to me is some of the very f very very
small amount of like relatively flat land that's good for farming, and
generally has good soils.
271 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:26:09.250 --> 01:26:25.920
I, I think it's it's the management of that land is pretty critical. I'm
not exactly sure where we're going here, but I I think there's obviously
a lot of industrial uses out along the highway there other other uses
like that. I think my concern here is that.
272 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:45.920
Again I get why there could be a swap under law and that there's property
swapping going on that makes sense on paper, but in some ways it's kind
of a false choice to say that we can't protect land and cloud Bay that's
in a sensitive area and would have to be swapped here. My worry is that
also that the county is essentially pushing this.
273 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:26:45.920 --> 01:27:05.920
And city council isn't necessarily right, you know, signing off on it in
detail the fact that we are gonna transition this land to a much more
intensive use eh especially given again the the relative lack of this
type of land in our community. So, that's where that's that's my general
concern I think I'll just leave it there for now, but I'm I'm not fully
in support.
274 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:11.954
For this as a result. Thanks. Commissioner Kedroski.
275 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:27:11.954 --> 01:27:28.010
Thank you. I just have a couple of questions. So it seems like we were
obviously increasing the intensity of the use in this area, and it seems
like we did a lot of public outreach for the housing action plan and the
other plans, but was there any outreach done to the owners?
276 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:27:28.010 --> 01:27:32.710
Of these of the land in this area that's proposed to be the UGA.
277 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:27:32.710 --> 01:27:49.010
So we have not yet embarked on this process. I think this is the very
start of this as we're presenting it here. This is a county process, so
the county would be going out and talking to these owners and doing the
public outreach where obviously.
278 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:27:49.010 --> 01:28:03.071
Mostly willing to help with that. And I think the other thing is none of
the zoning is set yet. So this is very, very, infant in its stage of just
considering that this is a possibility.
279 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:28:03.071 --> 01:28:13.286
Gotcha, and to clarify, you guys haven't set what the actual zoning will
be for the new UGA, it's not gonna be similar to what the existing UGA
is?
280 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:28:13.286 --> 01:28:33.063
We have plans to look at the zoning throughout all ugas to make sure
they're consistent with the needs for Sewer as well. So I mean, I think
this is a larger process of looking at them. This is just allowing it as
a availability if it is desired through its own separate process, it has
to go through.
281 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:28:33.063 --> 01:28:35.009
I mean I.
282 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:28:35.009 --> 01:28:44.804
Tensive plan amendment for the county, so it would follow essentially
what we're doing with this comprehensive periodic update under an annual
amendment process.
283 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:28:44.804 --> 01:29:03.813
Gotcha. I mean I'm supportive of anything that allows more housing
especially near the city. It sounds like this would do that, so I'm
definitely supportive of that as long as in the zoning it allows for
housing and existing housing to remain and existing house or housing to
be rebuilt if it was destroyed or whatever, you know, that kind of thing.
284 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:29:03.813 --> 01:29:10.246
Definitely, that's part of our concerns and conversations with the county
to ensure that that happens.
285 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:29:10.246 --> 01:29:12.177
Great.
286 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:29:12.177 --> 01:29:30.620
Oh, Commissioner Stiger. I was under the impression also that there's
some, I don't know if you'd call it industrial uses for that land as well
as that accurate potentially? That is correct. How that's sparsed out and
those exact boundaries, nothing's been set.
287 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:29:30.620 --> 01:29:55.370
Sure that was just an example of where we could use that land of the 252
acres. You know, it has to be contiguous with the existing UGA, so
however that happens. Okay, I, I too, I think we need to do what we can
to preserve not only you know, wildlands, but also farming, so I'm I'm
sensitive to that as well and also I know so much of what.
288 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:29:55.370 --> 01:30:15.370
We need to do in this community. We need economic development to be able
to do that and bring in some of these, you know, whether it's like a CRTC
or different companies like that and having space for them to operate. I
think that's critical for us to continue to pursue our goals in the
community and even just updating all of our utilities, you know, so that
we can have higher.
289 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:30:15.370 --> 01:30:29.370
Higher density in some of these things. So I think that is really
important. So while I I definitely share the concern and I think that's a
valid one with farmland and stuff, I do think that this would be a really
good move, so I definitely am with support.
290 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:30:29.370 --> 01:30:44.370
I agree. Okay, yeah, I agree as well and I think if you talk to the EDC,
they have a list of.
291 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:30:44.370 --> 01:31:04.370
I guess desires from industrial, groups and when they, when the EDC talks
to big industry or big industrial providers, they give a list of things
that they want and one of them is large contiguous pieces of land. And so
if that extension there gets us those.
292 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:31:04.370 --> 01:31:20.250
That, that seems pretty useful to me. And I do question, there is one
thing like utility expansion, the water and sewer out to these areas. So
the further we extend away from the city, the more expensive those
utilities get.
293 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:31:20.250 --> 01:31:35.490
And so, when we expand, you know, if we do take on these, this UGA and
all of it, ideally we're looking in terms of that there's a lot of value
added, that extending these services out there.
294 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:31:35.490 --> 01:31:55.490
And that's a positive benefit instead of the denser areas just, you know,
paying for that cost. Right. Which is why, you know, we'd have to be
strategic about how the zoning plays out there, but because it is
industrial and coming from cloud and base EQ, we'd have to balance that
with, industrial 1st. Nothing says we can't rezone it late.
295 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:31:55.490 --> 01:32:22.549
But we'd have to start with there and just kind of figure out how it best
fits in with our area. Makes sense. Do, do water and sewer extend into
the existing western UGA? So the existing western UGA that's served by
dry Creek water, I believe. So the proposal that some of you may know is
Project Peninsula is using dry Creek water. I believe the.
296 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:32:22.549 --> 01:32:50.419
Clawn County joint emergency operations facility I don't think that's
what it's actually called but, pretty close, is gonna be utilizing dry
creek water, as well as, you know, initially septics, but because of
those facilities going out there, sewer is eventually planned. You have
to try looking to hook up sewer for their medical facilities in their
casino out there so that plans for the utilities are coming into play.
297 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:32:50.419 --> 01:32:52.889
Okay.
298 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:32:52.889 --> 01:33:12.889
Okay. And the you Yeah, you have a picture of the casino and isn't the
casino further out than that or am I missing that? Is it in this UDA
area? I believe it was close by, but I was just trying to find some
pictures that made it. So yeah, I think it's further out. Yeah, it was a
picture down.
299 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:33:12.889 --> 01:33:32.669
Demonstrating our partnership yeah because the land, the tribal land
that's in there isn't there is their tribal trust land in the UGA? And
that all has to be worked out with the tribe on how it is. I think the
main takeaway point from that, one slide is that it's gonna benefit them
whether we that.
300 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:33:32.669 --> 01:33:52.669
Land is officially in the UDA or it's just served by the utilities
nearby, is up for discussion with them. Any other comments? Commissioners
nothing. Okay. All right. Wow, we're making, we've covered a lot and
we're making good time, so.
301 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:33:52.669 --> 01:34:19.549
That is it for our items tonight and moving on to staff updates. Alright,
I, I wanna introduce you all to a, not a new member of our team, but a
new member of our planning commission team. Pat Barcelok is out doing
something, not here out of office. Good for him. In his place, we have
Chris Jackson, who is our building inspector.
302 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:34:19.549 --> 01:34:33.539
Right, and manages all of our short term licensing. I would say among a
hundred other things, but I'm gonna leave it at that and let him move
forward with the building report. Take it away Chris.
303 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:34:33.539 --> 01:34:51.989
Thank you for that lovely introduction quickly through the billing
report, we've got for the month of August we have five permits for
repairs and alterations on the commercial side worth $275952 in.
304 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:34:51.989 --> 01:35:10.889
Valuation. We have a single, new single family permit at $350000 and 52
residential repair and alteration permits with a permit valuation of
$543867.
305 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:35:10.889 --> 01:35:30.359
Those put us for year to date on building permits ahead of 2024 by
approximately $740000 and continuing on.
306 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:52.409
The, well, let's get down into some, some better information with the
dolling units that were added, very, very small with that one single
family unit permit, but overall we're doing pretty good for this time of
year at a total of 29.
307 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:35:52.409 --> 01:36:08.999
Additional dwelling units that we've printed this year and 17 on board
that are in the pipeline. Are there any questions you guys have for that
information?
308 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:36:08.999 --> 01:36:27.119
Nope. I'll just say a strategic pause then when you say Pat Barthalic is
out, like he's gone, what? Okay, not that we're not thrilled to have you
here. I'm not not on vacation.
309 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:47.999
Alright, if you turn to the affordable housing report, you'll see that it
is very slim for the month of August. The only two required things on
there is one fee waiver for a thousand $400 and one for bit ready plan.
310 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:36:47.999 --> 01:37:03.329
But the month of August was very busy with the publishing of the housing
action plan, as you've seen in past presentations, a lot of meetings with
the community partners and.
311 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:37:03.329 --> 01:37:22.409
Yeah. In addition to the affordable housing programs, some exciting news,
Ben and I met with, some folks that might donate more permit ready plans
to the city. They have.
312 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:37:22.409 --> 01:37:42.409
Pre pre fabricated options and from the conversation that we had, it
sounds like the it's a bit more economical than our current plans. So
that's very exciting and something that I'm working on in the next month
or yeah, the next month is.
313 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:37:42.409 --> 01:38:02.409
Getting a process for anyone in our community to submit plans, to the
city, to the city to advertise on our website. So we could have more of
our local builders and, also folks that sell like adus, on the website,
so it's not just our plan.
314 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:38:02.409 --> 01:38:24.589
From Artisans, so exciting news there my turn? So I'm still gonna give
you a little bit more information about the city shade program because
it's coming up next month. We will be giving away 82 trees this.
315 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:38:24.589 --> 01:38:58.849
Here, which is a little bit less than we've given way in years past, but
that's because we were only allowing up to two trees per applicant this
year, whereas four was the maximum in past years, and that decision was
made just due to the fact that most people cannot plant four trees in
their right of way at the proper spacing. So two is a much more
appropriate number. So that is on 25 October. It will be from ten to
eleven at city hall. If you want to come and celebrate Arbor Day with us,
we encourage you to come. Other than that, I've been taking part.
316 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:38:58.849 --> 01:39:18.849
We're in some, working groups with DNR on Calpen Heelgrass Habitat
restoration. So the Elwa is a priority area for DNR to establish and
conserve the Calp and Heelgrass Habitat that is currently existing. It's
one of two priority areas right now for them in the.
317 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:39:18.849 --> 01:39:34.649
This pilot project that they're running to establish 10000 acres of this
habitat in the future sound. So that's very exciting, more to come. And
from here, I believe it is our land use permitting.
318 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:39:34.649 --> 01:39:54.649
So, a lot of interesting things happening land use wise, basically to
start our mobile antenerate vendor program is off to the races basically
like with with all of the events that come in the fall, we're really
seeing a lot more activity there.
319 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:39:54.649 --> 01:40:16.919
And I hope you all are seeing a lot more activity in town too. I think
the the having regulations helps give people an impetus to demonstrate
that those kinds of things are allowed in the community, so we're seeing
a lot more of that type of activity. We had two major permits that we're
working on right now. We had a hearing for a cell tower over by the.
320 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:40:16.919 --> 01:40:36.919
The airport, and if you look at those radio frequency maps that are super
exciting, you will see that this tower, if you've been to areas like
hanger 19 or at the trailhead at 18th Street, and try to use your phone,
you may notice that it's very, it's very spotty.
321 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:40:36.919 --> 01:40:56.919
Will drop you and so this tower will help provide a lot more coverage for
those areas, so people that live out there and businesses that are
located out there will have better service. The other permit right now
that we have actively, the public comment period is ending soon is a home
occupation permit for a yoga studio.
322 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:40:56.919 --> 01:41:24.359
Off of C Street on 7th. It's in the old Grange building. So we're
actively taking public comment for that and, working with the applicant
to understand building code requirements and, you know, off street
parking and other other impacts that may come from a yoga studio in a
residential neighborhood. So we're kind of using this opportunity, this
this proposal as a way to look at how we could.
323 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:44.359
Model our like residential neighborhoods to still include some non
invasive, you know, commercial uses. So it's an interesting process. It's
not something we typically do. And that's about it for now it's for land
use. I'll move to our draft environmental impacts.
324 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:41:44.359 --> 01:42:04.359
Statement, we have a public hearing with you all next Wednesday. I
appreciate you that can come, that opting to come for the special
meeting. We had, we had a basically a later start than we had hoped to
get that draft alternative.
325 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:24.269
It's out to the public, we wanted to make sure staff had enough time to
review the document before it was made public and so, you know, in a
perfect world that the public hearing would have been tonight, but it'll
be, it'll be at 06:00 next Wednesday. Those of you that have said you can
attend, if you.
326 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:42:24.269 --> 01:42:44.269
Do you find that you cannot, please let us know as soon as possible
because we still do need quorum for that public hearing. And as Jaylin
alluded to, we have public notice published for all of our major
developments for the comprehensive plan. So that includes the comprehen.
327 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:42:44.269 --> 01:43:11.069
And the housing action plan and our citywide rezone. So those public
notices were in the our periodical of choice, which is the PDN. That's
our very strict measure. EPA is being done through the draft EIS for all
of those actions and the public hearings for all three are going to be 22
October. So.
328 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:43:11.069 --> 01:43:31.069
I don't know exactly what to expect for those public hearings. We'll keep
you apprised as we move forward, but I would expect to at least take the
2 h that we have allotted on 22 October on a regular meeting to
specifically just work on those public hearings. So, with.
329 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:43:31.069 --> 01:43:52.319
That, I'll turn it back over to you chair. Okay, thank you very much. Are
there any reports from commissioners? Commissioner Stanley? I just wanted
a quick report, and I wanted to say that I am also a new yoker. So we
almost have quorum here.
330 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:43:52.319 --> 01:44:12.319
So yeah, let's go exactly. I guess new York. Well, NO offense to PI I
love PI. I love PI so much that I'm gonna, my second thing real quickly
I'm gonna say is maybe might seem the same, but I want to say it anyway
because I have this public platform and I want people to think outside
the box in our community.
331 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:32.319
But I've I've said this before, I will say it again. Since we're talking
about the UGA out in the western part of the town, about new industrial
sites, we're talking about housing constantly just want to say once
again, I think that the best the most developer of the site in Port
Angeles by far is our city's airport. I think we need to stop deleting.
332 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:59.659
Ourselves into thinking that we're gonna get commercial air service here.
It's not, it doesn't pencil out, I don't think it's gonna work, and the
site itself could satisfy all of our housing needs and more as well as
all of our industrial needs. We could plan it out. It's the size it's the
size of a site where we could attract like a like an international
developer to come in and plan this out and do it. You could attract
probably attract capital in ways that you wouldn't attract otherwise. I
recognize that the airport.
333 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:44:59.659 --> 01:45:17.339
As part of our transportation part of the competency plan for
transportation, I recognize that it is supported by a lot of the
community, so this might be a popular statement, but I just wanted to put
it out there because again I think we wanted to think differently to
solve our housing issues. So, thank you.
334 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:45:17.339 --> 01:45:37.339
Commissioner Sneiger. Real quick on next Wednesday, my flight got bumped,
is remote still an option for next Wednesday? Yes. Okay. It should always
be an option if we're having a meeting Thursday should always be hybrid.
Perfect. I'll be driving back from Seattle right when the meeting's
starting, so.
335 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:45:37.339 --> 01:45:58.619
Not I won't be driving, my wife will be driving just to be clear. And the
only other thing I want to just share a quick moment, I've been working
with Nancy Stefens on her home sharing and Nestley, probably heard her
give a presentation to talk about that stuff. She has been very active
reaching out to, had a good back and forth with.
336 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:45:58.619 --> 01:46:18.619
Adam burnbomb. And we provided him with some potential legislation model
on California's legislation to provide more homeowner rights. You know,
that's the biggest concern we hear from people when we talk about home
sharing, what if you get a bad tenant, and then you can't get them out
and it's this whole big fear thing, so I think that keeps a lot of people
out from that.
337 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:46:18.619 --> 01:46:33.730
That that opportunity. So we'll see if it actually goes anywhere in
Olympia, but he seems very excited about it and it was fun to be a part
of hopefully a solution moving some forward. Anyone else? Commissioner
Kedrowski?
338 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:46:33.730 --> 01:46:46.950
I actually just have a couple of clarifying questions is, did the Port
Actual Association of Realtors clarify why they're not supportive of
infilled housing?
339 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:46:46.950 --> 01:46:55.910
We can make that letter public to you. We can, we can send that letter to
everybody so that you can read it. I can't I don't have it right in front
of me.
340 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:46:55.910 --> 01:47:22.591
That, that would be great. Thank you. And then second question, would it
be possible in the future to get a presentation from like the public
works director or somebody from public works and utilities? Cause I want
to understand how our plan relates to, you know, some of the stuff that
they do. It you know kind of goes into their hands as far as the details
of how this actually happens on the ground. And I think it would be great
to get their perspective as well on some of this.
341 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:47:22.591 --> 01:47:42.709
That's something we can definitely put on the docket for the planning
commission in the future. Hopefully we don't have a whole lot of business
in December and we can maybe have a special meeting in early December,
but, that's something we can definitely put in the docket. We've we've
had public works director or the city engineer attend our meetings
before.
342 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:47:42.709 --> 01:47:44.812
Here and give a presentation.
343 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:47:44.812 --> 01:47:48.268
Great, thank you.
344 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:47:48.268 --> 01:48:05.359
Okay, Commissioner mcmore. I would just like to say as a fellow name of
her again that whatever commissioner Steering has said sounds great for
that reason alone. And I would also like to say that it was really nice.
345 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:18.689
Hearing from Jailin that the community has had an opportunity to engage
with permanent ready plans and that there are more affordable options
coming for the community.
346 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:48:18.689 --> 01:48:35.189
All right. Okay, moving on, at this time we open the public comment
period, 2nd public comment period, if you wanna speak, come on up to the
podium. Is there anyone online from the public? No one online. Okay.
347 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:48:35.189 --> 01:48:50.279
And NO one in the audience wants to speak, maybe. Alright, alright, I'm
closing the public comment period, and at this time I'll entertain a
motion to adjourn the meeting.
348 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:57.825
Emotion to a dream. It's been moved and.
349 "Dallas" (1736091392)
01:48:57.825 --> 01:49:00.168
Is there a second.
350 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:49:00.168 --> 01:49:09.749
Sneaky! I need to get right out of my mouth! Nice. All right, it's been
moved and seconded. Anyone object to?
351 "Council Chamber" (1646650624)
01:49:09.749 --> 01:49:23.268
Ending the meeting none, seeing none. All right. By unanimous consent, I
am joining the meeting at 07:51. But.