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1 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Can we please get a roll call? Chair Steigher? Here. Vice chair Stanley.
Present. Commissioner Shore, here. Commissioner Kedroski? Present. And.
2 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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All right, thank you very much. Move on to the public comment period. If
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Once you have been unmuted, please state your name, whether or not you
are a city resident, and if you are speaking on behalf of an
organization. So public comment is open. I let my dad, and this is his
last meeting, and he's very cool.
4 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Okay, he's cool and Excellent. We exercise your rights. Right, very
respectful. Yeah. Anybody online?
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There's one attendee online, but NO hands raised that I could see.
Alright, I will then close the public comment period. Moving on to
approval of minutes, can I get a motion, please?
6 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Motion to approve the minutes? I will second. All right. Are there any
corrections or changes needed? Hearing none, anyone opposed to the
approval of the minutes as provided?
7 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Hearing none. Motion carries. Alright on to our action items. So I
believe this goes over to staff for the MCA phase one update
introduction. We're just gonna pull.
8 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Up the, presentation really quick.
9 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Alright, good evening planning commissioners and distinguished members of
the audience. My name is Ben Broadrick. I'm the planning supervisor for
the city and I have the pleasure of introducing the 1st phase of the
city's four phases of development code updates. Along with our two
presenters tonight, long range special projects Associate planner, Angel
Tores.
10 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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In our fire marshall, Joel McKeen. The presentation tonight is
introducing the broad changes that are being proposed to our municipal
code in this phase. Staff has made the decision to present the details of
the proposal to the community in a public hearing at the planning
commissioner's 22 April meeting as well.
11 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The presentation is about 12 min long. We ask that you hold your
questions to the end as the answer maybe revealed later in the
presentation. And with that, I'll hand it over to Angel and Joel, and ask
for the next slide. Good evening.
12 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The goal of this update is to make inspection and occupancy procedures
clear and more consistent. Related provisions are now grouped together
and dedicated chapters. Appeal routes are aligned with current law, cross
references between sections have been corrected so that review pathways
are clear. For the community.
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That means it is easier to understand when inspections occur, when a
certificate of occupa occupancy is required and how issues are resolved
if something needs correction. The intent is clarity and consistency, not
expansion. Next slide please. These updates do not create new regulatory
requirements.
14 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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They document how inspections and occupancy reviews already occur under
Washington's state building code and adopted international codes. No
sprinkler thresholds fireflow requirements or adopted code standards are
being modified. Authority remains grounded in RCW 19.27 and the adopted
international building and fire codes. This phase of the planned
development code amendment improves structure and documents the
inspection process explicitly. It does not expand enforcement authority.
15 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Next slide. Over time fire ins fire inspection and certificate of
occupancy provisions became more difficult to follow and were not updated
in the municipal code concurrently. Procedures for review and inspections
for related permitting processes were located in different sections.
Appeal routes referenced.
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Outdated language. Coordination between inspection findings and occupancy
approval was not clearly described in one place. These updates address
those structural issues. They improve administrative alignment, reduce
duplication, and provide clear expectations for businesses and property
owners.
17 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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While maintaining the same underlying safety standards. Next slide
please. Good evening. The annual fire and life safety inspection program
operates under the adopted international fire codes. Its purpose is to
confirm that buildings remain in safe, operating condition after they are
occupied. These inspections help verify that.
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Required life safety systems are functioning and that buildings are being
occupied and used as approved. This program is not new. It has been in
place for years. The amendment simply documents how the program works and
findings are processed. Next slide please. The revised chapter explains
which types of occupancy are subject to inspections and how inspections
are scheduled. It outlines how findings are.
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Documented, what timelines apply for corrections and how reinspections
are handled. It also explains the review and appeal process if a property
owner disagrees with the finding. These procedures already exist in
practice. This, the code now presents them in a clear and more organized
way. Next slide.
20 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The occupancies listed here reflect current practice under the
international fire code. Commercial spaces, certain multi family
buildings, and other high risk uses are already inspected. This update
does not expand those categories, it clearly defines them so expectations
are transparent.
21 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Next slide. During inspections fire personnel verify required life safe
safety systems such as fire fire alarms, sprinklers, emergency lighting,
and exit access. They also check fire extinguishers and hazardous miss
material storage where applicable.
22 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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These requirements come directly from the adopted international fire
code. The amendment does not change what is inspected. It clarifies how
inspection results or are recorded and how they relate to occupancy
status. Next slide. For most businesses there will be NO operational
change.
23 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Inspections are already required under adopted international codes. There
is NO new inspection authority and NO expansion of enforcement standards.
The primary difference is clearer documentation and consistent
procedures. Next slide.
24 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The adoption of international fire code, section five oh three and
appendix D represent an important step towards strengthening fire and
emergency access standards within our community. Section five oh three
establishes requirements for fire department.
25 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Excuse me fire apart apparatus access roads ensuring emergency responders
have reliable, unobstructed routes to buildings and developments.
Appendix D further clarifies requirements related to fire operatus access
road design.
26 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Including widths, turning radius, and dead end limitations for
residential developments. By formerly adopting these provisions, we
create clear, consistent guidance for developers, engineers, and property
owners. This reduces ambiguity ambiguity, I cannot talk today, I
apologize.
27 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Ambiguity get like during planning and permitting processes and promotes
transparency in how access requirements are applied. At the same time,
the code maintains necessary flexibility. The fire code official retains
the authority to approve alternate means of egress and access when
strict.
28 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Compliance is not feasible. This may occur due to unique site
constraints, challenging topography, and existing physical limitations.
This balanced approach ensures that public safety remains the priority
while also recognizing real world development challenges. It provides a
structured framework with room for professional judgment supporting both
safety and practical implementation.
29 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Next slide. Certificates of occupancy are required under the
international building code. They confirm that a building or tenant space
is approved for a specific use and meets building and fire safety
standards before it is occupied.
30 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This amendment brings certificate of occupancy procedures into one
dedicated chapter so that certain procedural triggers review steps and
coordination between departments are clearly described. Next slide
please. A certificate or certificate of occupancy review is required
after new construction completion of.
31 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Major remodels, changes of use or new business occupancy. It may also be
required if a discrepancy is identified in an existing certificate. New
business occupancy involves coordination between the fire department and
the building division. Both confirm compliance with adopted codes before
a certificate is issued or updated. That coordination already occurs
today.
32 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This code update makes the process easier to follow for those that need
to abide by it. Next slide please. The revised chapter clearly defines
when a certificate of occupancy is required and how discrepancies are
corrected. Posting requirements are standardized so the approved use is
visibly documented for city staff and others that enter the building.
Coordination between the fire and community and econom.
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Economic development department is clarified and appeal language is
aligned for consistency. No technical life safety standards are proposed
to be changed. Next slide please. The certificate of occupancy must be
posted in a visible location within the business or building. This has
been a longstanding requirement and is not new. Posting the certificate
allows inspectors to quickly verify and approve and.
34 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Approved use and helps ensure transparency for occupants in the public.
This amendment does not change that requirement. It simply places it
clearly within the dedicated certificate of occupancy chapter. Next slide
please. Fire inspection, fire inspections and certificates of occupancy
already work together. When inspectors identify a concern, that finding
is reviewed alongside the buildings of.
35 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Approved occupancy status. If there is a discrepancy, it is routed
through an established administrative review process. This coordination
ensures the buildings are both safe and used as approved. The process
itself is not new. The amendment clearly documents how the coordination
occurs.
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Next slide. For business owners and property owners, daily operations
remain the same. The underlying authority and inspection requirements
already exist under state law and adopted codes. What improves is
predictability?
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Triggers are clearly defined, procedures are organized, and review
coordination is documented. That clarity benefits applicants, property
owners, and enforcement staff. Next slide. In addition to the inspection
occupancy updates, this phase also includes several.
38 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Technical refinements within related code sections. Outdated appeal
references have been removed and cross references between title 14 and 18
have been corrected so that procedures and authority are clearly aligned.
Building moving moving regulations are relo relocated to title eleven to
better match public works review responsibility. Fire suppression
language has also been aligned between sections to ensure consistent
interpreter.
39 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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These are structural and organizational improvements. They do not change
adopted safety standards or add new requirements. Instead, they improve
clarity, consistency, and the overall integrity of the code. Next slide.
40 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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These updates reflect the city's commitment to applying adopted building
and fire codes consistently while impri improving transparency. The focus
remains on protecting life safety and public welfare. Cleareral
organization supports the goal and helps ensure fair and predictable
processes.
41 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Next slide, please. This presentation formally introduces phase one of
the fire and life safety code amendments. Outreach began February ten at
the Waterfront District elevate PA monthly meeting and continues with
stakeholder presentations, including the Port Angeles Association of
Relators in Port Angeles.
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Building association in March and the North Pennsula Builders Association
in April. The planning commission public hearing is scheduled for 22
April. Following that hearing in public comment, the city council will
consider adoption. This phased engagement process ensures multiple
opportunities for community input before legislative action is finalized
by the city council. Next slide please.
43 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That concludes the overview of phase one of the fire life and safety and
certificate occupancy updates. We appreciate your engagement and are
available to answer questions. Thank you. Thank you staff. I'm gonna just
kind of go down the line this time, starting with Commissioner Kadroski.
44 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So I just wanted to ask about some of the more detail on the coordination
between the departments and some of the examples of some of the biggest
issues that you're solving with this coordination. Thank you. Yeah, so
currently.
45 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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For certificate of occupancies it's reviewed both by building and fire,
and so basically codifying this and making it very clear is creates a
process that's seamless. From my understanding I've been in the office
for only two years as fire marshal eq well one and a half, and prior it
was done.
46 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Multiple different ways. So this just creates a consistent process that's
transparent. If I leave tomorrow, it can be handed down as consistent
process altogether. So that's one example of that. Great, thank you. And,
can you give me more details around the updated appeal process and what
were some of the issues there again that we're solving and why this was.
47 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Needed.
48 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So we, we brought with our 5290 updates that we mentioned last year, we
took them to council and they basically, it was based on a state bill,
but we went like all the way with it and we consolidated our permitting
processes.
49 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The, the procedural way that's you know an applicant would go through a
permitting process was different depending on the permitting that was
being requested. And so what we did is from the submission of the
application all the way to the ability to appeal, we codified that in one
unified way.
50 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's all based on a type of application, so type zero is over the counter
all the way to type five which is like a major code update. So everything
in between as well depending on like the type of process that needs to go
through with public, you know, a public hearing or just a public.
51 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Noticing period, and so this a lot, we didn't touch some of the stuff
that was in in this these sections of code, the specifically the fire and
the certificate of occupancy process if somebody wanted to appeal that
there wasn't really a, there wasn't a documented way for them to do that.
We'd have to figure it out and now it's gonna be transparent and somebody
it's just referenced there, they know.
52 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Know Exactly what they need to do, how much time they have to do it, and,
you know, what our obligations are as well. Great, thank you so much.
Yeah. And, last thing, did you, did you guys get any feedback from the
waterfront district when you guys did that or how did that go? Yeah, it
went well. We did have positive feedback especially on the life and fire
safety inspections since they already.
53 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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You started the beginning of the year, and just there was a, they
appreciated the transparency in coming out and talking to them and
reaching out and asking for questions and feedback. But overall there
wasn't really any negative that came from it. Great, thank you. That's
all I got. All right, thank you. Vice chair, Stanley.
54 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Thank you commissioner. Thanks to staff for the presentation. Really
appreciate it. I guess my comments here will be really just oriented
towards housing in particular and the sort of ongoing housing crisis that
we have established here on the commission. Not to say that I don't fully
recognize the need.
55 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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For, you know, top notch fire safety standards, but you know, given the
amount that we focused on, all the different ways we can encourage
housing growth in town, when I hear that we are revising our final codes,
it makes me wonder if there's any opportunity to, in some ways smooth out
that process and make it easier to build housing.
56 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And that's this is coming really from the context of, understanding more
generally how fire codes have operated over the past, you know, 5060
years in our country. In the past at least I think they've been used in
terms of when they're regulating how new development is created, how
streets and other things are created, there's it's often been, they've
been constructed really to be a little bit.
57 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Bit Oriented towards the construction of suburban environments rather
than denser, you know, urban walkable environments. I don't really
suspect that is an issue here, but it would, if staff has thought about
this at all, it would be helpful. So I think so that's one thing I just
wanted to at least inquire about since there could be some opportunity.
58 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Community there. But ultimately, my perspective is obviously most of this
is dictated by the state, by international building code. We don't have
that much control over over this in in general. I would also say that we
are not a super fast growing community that is developing a lot of open
land in general. I think usually that would.
59 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Come into play much more in a fast growing city like Phoenix or
something. So overall, I'm not too worried that this is blocking housing,
but I think if I have a question here for staff, it's really just, has
there been any any discussions among staff as to whether fire codes will
or will not, you know, help our ability to develop housing in the
community. Have you heard anything from developers or others in the
community that they've seen any.
60 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The aspect of fire codes or the fees associated restricting their ability
to develop, or any other, any other thoughts you've had on this would be
greatly appreciated. Yeah, good question. So looking through the
municipal code, it hasn't been looked at in quite a while if you look at
it at the last dates that anything was changed. One piece that we are
taking off that will help developers and one that's.
61 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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There sitting that has voiced a concern with this is the requirement of
adding a bell without a sprinkler system, which I never understood. I've
been in the fire service for 25 years and that it's not gonna change our
response. It may have possibility of an early.
62 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Notification, but we get also false false alarms from poor cooking or
burn food having a bell go off. So we are taking that piece out of the
municipal code, which, you know, that's a cost savings for a developer.
63 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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You know, and the fire access roads you kind of talked about as well.
While we don't have adopted currently those, you know, five oh three and
appendix D having the ability to say it's adopted as a reference, but
still have the out as a fire code official.
64 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And it's not a feasible for that development. Can I still operationally
feel it's a safe part for us as the fire department to mitigate an
incident there? That's what it's gonna come down to. We have a commercial
business currently that we're working with that could not meet appendix D
or five oh three requirements, you know, and we're working with.
65 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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With them to find a way to make it feasible. So that still allows you
out, but it's still that, you know, we want that to be the the main
guidance to try to meet that standard, but also understand that's not
feasible for some of the development in our community with our topography
and, and our land, lack of land, really, of what's developable.
66 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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You know what you can develop. So, that is a big conversation we have on
this side at least to not be too stringent. You know, certain codes we
have to meet. We can't, that's one thing with international fire code and
building code that's the ones that are adopted by the state that you
can't lessen.
67 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Those standards, you can make them more strict, but, you know, we have to
be very cognizant of if that occurs exactly that, are we inhibiting
growth and that's not the point. So, great, thank you. That's I'm really
happy you guys are explicitly considering the balance there between
safety and housing growth.
68 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So yeah, that that's I think that's a great answer and I think just more
generally, what was he gonna say? I mean, I I just think that ultimately,
you know, we have, we we just aren't building that much new stuff like at
scale, and I think just the fact that there's flexibility there is huge.
So I guess the only thing other thing I'll say is I, if you're ever
giving you know information out to prospective developers that come to
town.
69 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I hope it's, it's clear and, you know, upfront that like those kinds of
things could be negotiable up to obviously reasonable limits, right? But
just to make sure that NO one's coming in and worried about something
there. So, but it sounds like you were, you thought about it, so. Yeah,
you know, our, our goal is flexibility when it's possible.
70 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Right, so there are some things especially in fire code that are
inflexible, but what are the things that are, and how do we make sure
that although keep things safe like it doesn't push a threshold where
somebody won't do something because they aren't able to because of a
regulation. So we're always looking at, you know, how do we push the
envelope a little bit more?
71 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And some of the stuff he's talking about, we could, you know, street
widths, lengths, you know, access, those sorts of things make a big
difference. And from the overall review perspective of just re revising
the code in general, part of our methodology is specifically to seek out
that restrictive language and to make sure.
72 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That we're, we're drawing it out and making sure we could take that out
when, when, when possible.
73 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Good, that's good to hear and yeah as as I was mentioning obviously
there's there there are older customs in, you know, embedded in fire
codes, you know, all sorts of zoning codes from the 20 century and it's
obviously it's a new era to look at things through an opposite way and
make things less, you know, less restrictive rather than more. So, i'm
glad you're continuing that work.
74 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Right, thank you. Commissioner Sure. All right, just want to say this is
great work. I think transparency and consolidation are really important,
so I'm glad to see that. Also, the fact that, you know, this is a little
bit outdated, so, I don't have much to.
75 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Seems pretty straightforward to me. The one thing I would ask, there was
a little bit of a on the presentation and I don't know if this is me
being nickpicky, but one of the things that was said is that most
businesses should not see a change. Are we anticipating that there are
any businesses that will see a change? I think it would be hard to say NO
businesses will see a change, right? Through life and fire safety
inspections, we.
76 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Will find discrepancies with a certificate of occupancy. It's it's I mean
we already have, so with that they will see a change in that sense. Now,
how it's currently being done and how it's been done? No, if that, so I
can see where the confusion would be. It's not a change in practice or a
change in anything that currently works.
77 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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We're doing. So I could see where that confusion of the possibility I
mean you can expand on that if you want, but I would just ask maybe maybe
they, it would be good to give them a little bit of background on a new
position in the fire department that we have and like how those changes
have started to occur right now. Yeah, that's good, that's good. So.
78 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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1 January city council approved a new fee structure, that charges a fee
for the fire and life's and safety inspections. It's an annual program.
You have to have an annual fire and life safety inspection. With those
fees, it's like $98 for a business and then it goes up for different
types of occupancies.
79 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Those fees paid for a full time fire and life safety inspector. He's a
fire prevention specialist. He's also a firefighter EMT, so it also
counts for if there's a worst case scenario you need more personnel he
can go. What he does is he'll go to the businesses. It's, we've
consistently done them, but it's been 20 years. So we had an inspector 20
years ago and then with staffing and funding shortages, that was a.
80 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Position to get taken off the, the department. And so what we are finding
is there's some discrepancies in some violations that are out there
because it hasn't been regulated in over 20 years.
81 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That being said, lots of grace. We have a lot of grace unless it's an
imminent fire and life safety danger. So we work with the businesses to
try to get them up to standard. There's not a lot of costs generally
associated with what we're finding, but it's just helping them and
educating them on what is safe and what's not and what's code compliant,
so.
82 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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You know, to, to answer your question. So we are seeing things throughout
going out and doing the fire and life safety inspections when it comes to
the businesses itself, and we're also seeing discrepancies with a
certificate of occupancy saying it's this type of occupancy, but it's
operating as this. So there is some.
83 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Changes that a business might see, but it's not a practice we're changing
currently, it's just codifying it. Yeah, that's a really helpful
clarification. So if it hasn't been regulated for 20 years, I could
assume the changes to the businesses really depends on how well they
were.
84 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Correct, and we, and when I say 20 years, we haven't had a dedicated full
time employee doing it. We did do company level inspections with our
staff, but not a lot of them and I mean we run 6500 calls and ten years
ago we were running 3000 with the.
85 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Name staffing almost, so you can see where time just didn't allow it. So
yes, some businesses, you know, follow it to a T and then others just
what they don't know, they don't know, so some of it is just they don't
know. And so we educate them along the way. And then some just may have
not followed the code, so.
86 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Well, and to your point, you know, it sounds like, you know, the code
hasn't been updated in a while, it might not be the clearest, so, you
know, like you said, you don't know what you don't know, right? So, yeah.
And that's why putting that in the municipal code makes it clear, it's
transparent.
87 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's, you know, the directions on their annual. This is the process we
follow for a violations time frame with with what we're proposing, it's
gonna have like a 14 day correction, but I have the ability to make it
longer based on what it is and what the business owners would need.
88 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So, and that's what we're currently doing as well. And one more question
just while you're talking. So with the corrections, good question. So,
it's for the 1st inspection, like you said, the average is 98 and it goes
up for higher hazard occupancies and then this 1st.
89 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Reinspection is not, there's NO cost to it. Generally speaking, so we've
been doing it for, well I guess that's actually it's been a year. It's,
so 1 January of last year's when we started, I apologize. So we have not
charged for any reinspections if to put it that way. We've gone close on
a few, but discussions with the businesses is what truly we're looking
for and a plan of action. The 3rd, so if.
90 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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We have a second reinspection where just they're not abiding by the viol
or correcting the violations, then there will be a, a reinspection fee
for 2nd 3rd, and so on. So are we charging for the 1st inspection? 1st
inspection yes. And are we now.
91 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So if correct me if I'm wrong, but if we haven't been regulating this for
20 years and now we have a dedicated full time staff who's going to
expect on an annual basis, another change for the businesses would be
that they're gonna have to start paying that 98 inspection fee on an
annual basis where before we weren't prioritizing it, so they weren't
having to pay.
92 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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We've heard some, but I think it's, it's I mean we have the data to show
why it's important and prevention is truly the most important.
93 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This is my opinion, as well as you can find the data, but it's truly, in
my opinion, one of the most important pieces we have at the fire
department is to prevent fires and falls EMS, whatever it maybe. It's the
prevention aspect. And for business businesses, there is a huge cost
savings. If we try to.
94 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Or if we find a violation for an electrical extension court issue and we
save that business from business from getting a fire in the future,
that's time lost. It's, its revenue to the community, it's and and it
trickles from there. So, a lot of it's just educating the importance of
it and.
95 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Explaining why we're doing what we're doing. And I also think it's
something to consider for staff, like if you do hear that from
businesses, you know, just being transparent about that and then you know
what we can potentially do to do some like, you know, waivers or you know
funding for businesses that might find that, you know, difficult too.
96 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Cover that cost for whatever reason. I would hope not, but you know if it
does come up, you know, something to consider, appreciate it. All right,
I want to note that commissioner Melama joined us online. I didn't catch
the time, so hopefully somebody caught something there, but we can put
that he is here and he.
97 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This is Handraise, so Commissioner Melama, please.
98 "Walker Mellema" (282919680)
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Yes hi, I just wanted some clarification on this this conversation that's
been going on. You've been talking about businesses, but not all
businesses own the property that they're occupying. So what's the
breakdown and responsibility between the property owner and the.
99 "Walker Mellema" (282919680)
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Business owner.
100 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's a good question. So generally speaking, what we're finding is if a
business is renting from somebody, the business generally is the one that
will fix what they can within that business. If it's a building aspect,
for instance, let's say it's missing an address sign on the front, that
would most likely be.
101 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The building owner. Same thing if we find that the fire sprinkler system
has not had its annual test, that generally falls on the business. The
the owner of the building. If an exit sign is burned out, the the exit
lighting sign, that may fall on the business owner. It depends on what
their agreement is, but generally.
102 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Speaking that there's a, a mix of who's responsible depending on what
type of issues it is. If it's a fire extinguisher that needs its service,
generally that falls on the business itself. But some places that's gonna
be the business owner. So it's kind of hard to tell.
103 "Walker Mellema" (282919680)
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Okay, thank you. Thank you.
104 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Alright, I have just a couple of comments and I'll open it back up if
anybody has any follow UPS. I appreciate several things about, you know,
the whole way you're going about this. It's clarifying, bringing things
more in line with where they need to be and to commit vice chair
Stanley's point, not, not looking to over.
105 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Overregulate, which I think is great. I do specifically appreciate that
you said you have the ability to revise some things based on on your
determination. One question on that, is that going to be specified
somewhere in the writing? Okay, awesome.
106 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Thank you. Just a little plug, I guess having opened a business in town
recently, you know, we worked with the fire department and figured out
what we needed and some of it we didn't know what we needed. But I
thought the process was pretty painless, you know, anytime you hear where
you're gonna have somebody coming through and doing an inspection, you
kinda start sweating, but.
107 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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No, it was very professional, very all about getting things where they
need to be. So I, I appreciated that. One question on all businesses,
what about home businesses? That's a good If if people come to the place,
then they are required to have certain pieces, so that is a piece we're
looking at. Is that on a.
108 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Top priority dependent on we right now we're trying to just go through
high priorities and down or higher hazard occupancies and down. But yes,
it depends on if it's occupied by others, then most likely they may
trigger the inspection.
109 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Interesting. So if that, just for instance, I hate going off anecdotes,
but it's what we have, right? I've got several friends who are massage
therapists who have a home studio. Is that a type of thing that would
trigger an in home inspection then also?
110 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Possibly, again it depends on what we do is we'll review it and see if it
triggers an inspection. Most likely if they have people coming in, they
have a space that's dedicated to it, then yes, it would, they would be
required to have an extinguisher things like that if it's a considered a
business like that.
111 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And then, yeah, I I'll defer over to Chris. He does a lot of the Airbnb
and So yeah, for the short term rentals, we also do a iffire and life
safety inspection, and that's on Right now it's on a three year.
112 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Basis because the houses don't typically change, but we do, we do fall in
line with the same thinking as we want to get them as, as they have
guests that are not familiar with the houses. We want to make sure they
have easy access to egress and fire extinguishers and the smoke alarms
are.
113 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Are up to date, but we try not to impose too many changes in older homes.
We be cognizant of of the time that they've passed their inspections in
the error that they passed, so.
114 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Yeah, excellent. Thank you. One question and again this is kind of based
more often anecdote. I know from my work with Habitat for Humanity and
they have a four plex that is just about complete kind of on the very
west end of town there. I know there was some confusion.
115 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And some challenges around the sprinkler and what was required and not
required. Will the updates that you're doing kind of make things like
that more clear or is that kind of a separate issue?
116 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That was a little bit of a separate issue. I know where which one you're
talking about. There was some issues in the beginning, and that's where
we have internally fixed some pieces on how the review process works for
sprinkler systems. Instead of it just being fire department, there's
other departments that now review all of them as well. So that will
correct some of the.
117 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Pieces in there and then some of it was just the need to educate kind of
how those sprinklers work and what's required. I know it says big
learning curve, wouldn't you go from not having to do it ever in the 1st
time you had to do it so I have grace for that too. Yeah, absolutely.
And, and we did too, right? Go kind of walking through the process. They
were great, by the way of once we sat down and had some.
118 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Conversations and I think, you know, I mean it's my time to plug is we
are all about trying to meet with a lot of the developers on trying to
find ways. That's, that, that one is an example of having conversations
after the fact, but, you know, once you get into three or more triplex or
more, it triggers a sprinkler system. So.
119 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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You know, having the ability to say hey duplexes don't, and now habitat.
I have a feeling what we'll do duplexes and under, right? But you know
being able to have those conversations and kind of walk through them with
that. But internally I, like I said, we've, I feel the process even since
I've been in the office is significantly better and we all talk and try
to find ways to avoid difficulties like that.
120 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Perfect. And, and I think again the point up here, anything we can do to
make the process easier, I I totally appreciate and respect updating this
thing, but any, any opportunity to make it less of a trouble is going to
be beneficial. That's all the comments that I have, I'll kind of open it
up.
121 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Commissioner Katroski. So yeah, when I think of fire prevention, I think
of very specific stories to be a manager of the tallest building in San
Diego, and every year you have to make everybody evacuate the building by
law. And they're not very happy about that.
122 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Like people walked down 30 fights of stairs are not very happy. But one
of our security guards used to work at the Twin Towers in New York. And
the story he always told us was, there's a security guard that worked by
I think it was like JP Morgan or something like that, and he would pull
the fire alarm on these people all the time and make them evacuate.
123 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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They did not like him. But when the planes hit, that every single person
on that floor evacuated and it got out every single one. When people
below them didn't get out because they knew they were, they had the
prevention in place. And so.
124 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Prevention is very important and it's, you know, you only get one chance
to get that right, and if you miss it, there's NO, there's NO second
chances. So just want to say that cause I I really do appreciate what you
guys are doing and I really appreciate this the bringing processes
together where it sounds like we didn't have things kind of coded.
125 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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As far as we just gotta do it because that's the way it's always been
done and now it's there's an actual process for these things, so I think
that's great. My questions around fire department's typically funded by
property taxes and we also did a lid lift recently for the cloudy fire
district, which is if you're not.
126 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Familiar with lidlifts, property taxes, they can only budget a certain
amount per year by law. If they want to increase their budget, they have
to get a voter approved live lift, which we did. And so my question is
why is that, why is there a separate fee for these businesses when we did
a lidlift? I know those are for specific things, but why aren't we doing
that in this case when typically they're funded by property taxes? Yeah,
I can answer that. So, we are a city department, so we don't fall under
a.
127 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Something like that. So the counties do levy lid lifts. They're kept at
the 01:50 mark for fire and then $0.50 for EMS. And so they are under a
different funding mechanism. We do get some from taxes but most of ours
is actually a utility tax is based off the utility tax the city has. So.
128 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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We're capped as well, but we just, we don't have the funding for those
positions. In fact, we, we really, we really need more staffing as well,
but we are definitely limited on what funding mechanisms we can get. And
fire districts have that ability to go for more, at least if they're
getting under that cap to go for more and do a levy.
129 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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For a bond. Great, thank you. And then, who is the current largest user
of fire services in the city of Portn Angeles? Who has the most calls?
The most cost is really what we're talking about, right? Yeah, I, I can't
speak off without.
130 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Having the data in front of me, but most of ours is not fire based, it's
EMS based. So, you know, I, I don't know off the tip of my tongue which
that would be without having that sheet in front of me, but, most of ours
is not fire based. It's almost all from EMS calls.
131 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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At least from the majority of the user of the 911 system. Great, thank
you so much. Appreciate it, of course. Just a quick follow up comment,
actually similar to his comment, but, just want to stay for the record. I
really appreciate.
132 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The focus on mitigation in particular, the idea of saving costs up front
through mitigation, you know, and here obviously we're talking about
individual buildings and fire, but I think this goes for all manners of
disasters all the way up to huge natural disasters. There seems to be
data consistently throughout the country that.
133 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Money invested in mitigation up front saves, you know, 5610 times as much
on the back end. And, I just think especially in this day and age, it's
very important to use data driven decision making in our government
processes and it's easy for people to complain about fees that they're.
134 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Getting to support that kind of mitigation. It's very hard for most
people to understand if they didn't get a fire in the last five years
that there might be a reason behind that and it's not just the way it
goes. So, it's it's so based on what I'm trying to say it's it's a
complain about things and it's hard to recognize the benefits there and
since I have a public voice for a more meeting, I just wanted to save
that for the record that continue I I would love you to continue.
135 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That type of policy in all manners of city business. Thanks. All right, I
think I'll close with just one comment. I realized that probably this fee
structures are are already in place by city council. I'm guessing have
approved these things. I think it's always good to remember.
136 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Small small businesses, obviously, a hundred bucks is a bigger lift for a
very small business, so whenever we have the possibility I just encourage
us to consider some kind of sliding scale, you know, and obviously if you
have a bigger business, you never like Pan more, but it's a lot easier to
absorb those things. So just throwing that out.
137 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Out there I know that's not under your control or anything like that. But
thank you for the presentation. I appreciate it. I appreciate the work
that you're doing. Obviously we need that very much in our community and
I appreciate appreciate staff making things simpler and, and getting them
up to date. It's not the glamorous work, but obviously the need of work,
so thank you very much.
138 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And you guys will all have the actual code in front of you line in line
out with explanations as to why those codes are changing for April
meeting as well the whole community. Alright.
139 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Anything else on this topic from staff? All right. Thank you again.
Appreciate your time. We will move to staff updates then.
140 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Good evening commissioners. Tonight I will be briefly covering CDs over
the counter permitting activity and our overall customer engagement
metrics from January. Starting on the customer service side, January was
steady and busy. In CD, we logged.
141 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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473 total customer interactions, which is slightly higher than this time
last year. That works to be about 17 to 18 interactions per day. Breaking
that down a little further, we had 101 counter visits, 247 emails, and a
hundred and 25 phone calls. More than half our interactions are happening
through email, which helps us document conversations and provide clearer
written direction to applicants. In January, 97.5 % of.
142 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Inquiries received a response within two business days. If I had to
summarize January and plain terms, activity is up, turnaround times
remain strong, and customer responsiveness is consistent. It is it is a
steady start to 2026 and gives us a solid baseline as we move into the
busier months.
143 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And before moving into the over the counter, well, before moving into our
over the counter report, are there any questions? I do have one question.
Yeah. You might have already said this and I'm sorry if I missed this,
but can you like tell me what is considered like a customer interaction?
144 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I can assume like, you know, e.g., like, you know, applying for a permit
is like a customer interaction, but I'm just curious, like, if there's
other ones too that like I'm not. You know, it could be, it could be a
wide range of things. Really, it would just be a, it would just be a
question that's, it would be an inquiry from, some a member of the
public. It could be a con.
145 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Contractor, it could be somebody applying for a permit, it could be
somebody asking about requirements on their permit. It could be even
something just a question about our municipal code. But e.g., if I had a
question about paying my utility bill, cause I see that all the time in
the office, would that count as a customer interaction or is that like a
different department? We're not talking about them. No, that would not
count as a customer interaction. That would be, handled by our, it would
be another counter that that would be handled at. So when we're
directing.
146 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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In Constituents to another department, we're not counting that as an
interaction. Okay. But in reality it is an interaction. It's just not
it's just not catalogged as one in here. Right. Thank you Any other
questions? All right. Next, we'll be flipping the page over to our over
the counter permitting report. On the over the counter side, we issued 27
over the counter permits in January compared to this.
147 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's the same time last year that is an increase of just under 60 %. For
the 1st month of the year, that is a healthy level of activity and a good
indicator that trade work and smaller scale projects are staying active.
63 of these 63 % of these permits were processed the same business day
from intake to fees being sent. After payment was received, 92.6 % of
permits were issued within one business day. When you look at the
overtime overall staff time involved, we are averaging right around one
business day from intake.
148 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Take to issuance across the board. Are there any questions on this
report? Yeah, just a really quick question. I love, I love these metrics
and all this stuff, so thank you for this. Do we have any baseline for
pre like it sounds like this is great.
149 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's one day within one day and everything's being issued. For the last
year, has that been consistent or is that an improvement or is this just
getting the baseline and then we'll know where we're going? Yeah, that's
a great question. So timely issuance for year to date is up right now
compared to last year 2025I look forward to seeing, you know, seeing
where we're at in the later months, you know, just letting this progress
a little bit more but right now.
150 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I mean right now we're up in permits issued and timely issuance, so it's
looking good so far. We've been cataloging this from the start of 2025,
so.
151 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Yeah, I hope that isn't Does that answer your question? Yeah, I think so.
Thank you very much. You're welcome. Good evening to commissioners.
152 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I am gonna be reporting on the send of two nineties. Since this is the Q1
the year January gives us an early snapshot of how our permitting
timelines are performing as we move into 2020 excuse me, 2026.
153 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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During the January reporting period, the city reviewed 30 permits total
and all of them were type one permits. These include building and
planning permits that do not require public notice or a public hearing,
and they represent the core of our day to day permitting activity. For
type one permits, state law allows up to 65 days for review. What we're.
154 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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We're seeing this month is that most permits are still being processed
well within that timeframe. Seven permits were completed in under 14
days, 20 permits were completed in a 15 to 30 day range. Two permits were
completed in a 31 to 65 day range, and there was one permit that extended
into the 66 to a hundred day range. That one permit that went beyond 65
days is worth briefly explaining for context.
155 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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In that case, revisions were requested twice, and each time the applicant
took more than 60 days to respond. Under Senate bill 5290 when an
applicant respond, when an applicant's response exceeds the allowed time
frame, staff has permitted to add up to 30 days back into the review
period, which is what occurred here. This was not a delay caused by staff
review time, but rather.
156 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Are the result of extended applicant response periods built into the
statute. No type 234 or five permits were processed during January, which
is typical for a lower volume month and allows us to focus closely on
maintaining efficiency in our administrative permit reviews. Overall, the
this 1st report of the year shows that our updated permitting procedures
are functioning as intent.
157 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Even when applications require revisions, the process remains
predictable, transparent, and aligned with state law while still allowing
applicants adequate time to respond. No any questions for that? Thank
you.
158 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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All right, if you turn to page nine of your packet, you'll find the
affordable Housing monthly report for January 2026. In January, the city
processed five fee waivers totaling $97227, which came from one
manufacturer's home ADU project and four permit ready planned.
159 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Duplex development. The duplex development is part of a 19 lots
subdivision called trailside, which is on the west side of town off of
14th Street between O and N streets. This is the 1st development to use
permit ready plan duplexes, which are two bedrooms and two bathrooms. And
in the future the developer wants to put a duplex on each of the lots.
160 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Staff has been asked to provide an update on residential developments
happening in the city in addition to the trail side project, the CED
department has been working on permitting a four unit duplex development
at two eight Tmopes Avenue, which will utilize the multi family tax
exemption program. In addition, we finalized building permits for.
161 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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There are two permit ready plans using the 480 sq ft home home build off
of madrona. And we also held a pre application meeting to create four to
five lot buildable lots off of Glenwood. Staff is also processing a new
improvement community enhancement nice neighborhood grant for a fire
hydrant that will support the construction of an eight unit row
house/townhouse development off of Lawredson.
162 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
00:54:21.150 --> 00:54:38.640
This month CED staff has been preparing for a city council work session
to address homelessness response and encampments. City council's work
session is on 7 April from 05:56 p.m., and will include a staff
presentation and discussion from city council. Leading up to the work
session, there have.
163 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Have been and are upcoming presentations from the community groups and
partner organizations that work with our unhoused community. This
includes presentations from Habitat for Humanity of Collin County,
Salvation army, and four PA on the 17 February city council meeting,
which you can watch a recording of online. Upcoming presentations on 3
March.
164 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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From the county's homelessness Task Force Claum County harm reduction,
and Peninsula Behavioral Health, and on 17 March there will be a
presentation from the Peninsla Housing Authority, Serenity House, the
answer for Youth Cathy and the Port Angeles Waterfront District and OPCC.
165 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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A few updates regarding the request for proposals. The city did not
receive any proposals for the historic fire hall. The city will be re
releasing three RFPs re releasing and releasing three RFPs in the next
week for the sale of the historic fire hall, the sale of Water Street
pump.
166 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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House and for design services for the 09:35 West 10th Street project,
also known as the multi family housing pipeline pilot project. Both the
historic fire Haul and water Street pump house RFPs will remove the
requirement for affordable housing and instead encourage any element of
housing or commercial use. For.
167 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Both of these RFPs, there's NO set purchase price for the property and
the city will evaluate all proposals based on the evaluation criteria.
The the design RFP will seek architectural and engineering firms to
create building site pre development plans for the 09:35 West Street
property.
168 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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West 10th Street property. The city of Port Angeles multifamily housing
pipeline pilot project aims to address the shortage of multi family
rental housing to increase affordable housing opportunities and to
promote efficient land use and support the redevelopment of.
169 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Along the C Street corridor. The pilot project is intended to remove key
barriers to multifamily development, specifically land acquisition, site
readiness, and early construction costs while demonstrating the
feasibility of a higher density mixed use development in a commercially
zoned area throughout the city.
170 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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During our last PC meeting, the commissioners requested an update on
bills that staff are watching in the legislature. If everyone has their
pens out, I'd be happy to give a quick synopsis on the bills that we're
watching and I am in NO way a expert, but these are ones that we have on
our radar. House bill.
171 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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4809, it sets restrictions on local laws that prohibit life sustaining
activities in public property. House Bill 2489 was left in the house
rules committee. Senate Senate Bill 6015.
172 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This requires the Department of Commerce to develop and publish a model
ordinance to streamline local implementation of the per of permit ready
plans and requires planning county and cities to adopt a model ordinance
or ones that are substantially similar. This bill will.
173 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Lost in the Senate Ways and means committee. House Bill 2381, this
directs the state building code council to adopt a mandatory appendix to
the international building code to establish performance based code
compliance pathways for low rise residential buildings. This bill was
lost in the house rules committee.
174 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And lastly, house bill 2559 allows counties, cities, and towns to impose
a short term rental tax of up to four, 4 %. It requires that the revenue
from short term rental tax be used for affordable housing programs. This
bill was referred to the House appropriations committee.
175 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And there's still a few weeks left in the legislative session. Not on the
topic of housing but on the topic of PC clerking. Just a general update
for everyone. The ad hoc committee appointment committee for the planning
commission has reviewed applications and recommendations for appointment
to the full city council. This recommendation will be.
176 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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During the 3 March meeting, the agenda packet for this meeting, which
will include the ad hoc appointment committee's recommendation will be
available tomorrow, Thursday, 26 February at the end of at the end of the
day. The meeting agenda will be on the same page that the planning
commission agendas are usually on. The city council will review the
recommendations and make appointments during the 3 March city council
meeting. After the meeting, the city clerk's office will reach out.
177 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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With the con confirmations to the final appointments. Additionally, there
will be NO PC meeting in March. Instead there is a mandatory training
meeting for the annual board's con.
178 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Committees commissions training on ethics, public, the public Records Act
and the open public Meetings act. And there will be more information
through in email in the coming days. Any questions about any date yet for
that? Or is that gonna come in the email?
179 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's it'll come in an email, but it's it's going to be the same date that
our planning commission meeting would typically be. So the 4th Wednesday
of the month, we're co opting that, that meeting date for everybody who's
volunteering on the committees in the city.
180 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Good question, for multi failure, do you define that as two or more units
or how is that defined? There are multiple definitions of multi family in
different contexts. For the multi family tax exemption program, that's
for you.
181 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Minutes for this report. For this report, for the building report? Yes.
For the building report. That's a report. The building report.
182 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The question is, what's a multi family? How do you define it in this
context? Is it two or more units or four or more? Oh, it comes out
differently. Three or more so so three or more is, comes out in a report.
183 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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As multifamily. That's why we are now reporting on dwelling units because
there's so much correct. There's, there's different definitions for
single family and there's a duplex and everything after a duplex is
multifamily.
184 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Yeah spoiler alert coming coming down the pike for a new phase and our
zoning code is trying to mesh all these together and not have the
definitions be all disparate because, you know, some of them are codified
in different code that we have to have, but we gotta figure out some way
to define them similarly. Yeah.
185 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Because it does create confusion from like my perspective I'm gonna
praise her. My life will not allow me to appraise more than four units.
That's in state law. So that's how they define multifamily is, you know,
more than four units essentially. Anyways, and then my other question is
there's one industrial permit perfect for 7 million, what's that?
186 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Yeah Peninsula, so the Amazon project. Got it. Thank you.
187 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I think that's it. Were we gonna get a separate report out on the last
page? All right. You're jumping ahead You're ahead. You're just on top of
it. You have to suffer through natural resources 1st, though. So this is
just a verbal report, there's nothing in your packet. As mentioned at the
January planning Commission meeting.
188 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The city received a 109000 grant from the Department of Commerce to
support salmon recovery through local planning. City council accepted the
grant at the 3 February 2026 council meeting. Since then, staff have been
working collaboratively across departments for the development of an
urban forestry program to enhance salmon recovery efforts through the
management of our urban forest.
189 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This involves participation from CED, the public works and Utilities
department, and the Parks and recreation Department to establish clear
goals and outcomes of the program prior to the development of the urban
forest management plan that will be the final deliverable to the grant.
190 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
01:03:43.200 --> 01:04:03.200
Through our discussions, the various departments that oversee tree
management city wide have requested clarific, oh wait, sorry. That was
typo. Staff are working on processing a short line substantial
development permit, SIPA and environmentally sensitive areas development
permit for the proposed Bricks marine boat manufacturing facility along
marine.
191 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Drive. This development would bring additional facilities to the city for
both manufacturing, bolstering the city's economic development and
investment into commercial activities near the downtown corridor. Part of
my responsibilities as grant administrator are to oversee the lodging tax
funds administration. This month marked the close of the round two
requests for proposals, so a fair amount of time has gone into reviewing
the applications, routing them for review by the legal department, and
routing them to the committee for the scoring to begin.
192 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The applications will be discussed at the 12 March ALTAC meeting. All
round one contracts have been drafted and routed for signature. Mentioned
in the presentation was the Port Angelest waterfront District meetings. I
still attend those on a monthly basis, so I won't go into too much detail
on that because you already heard from Joel and Angel in the pres.
193 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Presentation that CV manager Cartmeel and Joel were there to present on
what you all heard today. And that's it for me. Perfect. Doesn't look
like any questions, thank you very much. So tonight I'd like to provide a
brief look at the current development outlook for the city as we move in.
194 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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In March. One of the clearest indicators of development momentum is pre
application activity. These meetings are typically the 1st step for more
complex development efforts, bringing applicants and city staff together
early to identify requirements and outline a clear path forward. In 2025,
the department completed ten pre application meetings. So far in 2026,
we've completed three with three additional meetings scheduled here in
the coming weeks. That early pay signals continued in diverse investment
interest across the community.
195 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The bamboo hotel at 1016 East 1st Street has completed its pre
application review. The plan's called for a four story 83 room hotel with
the ground floor commercial space. It represents an exciting opportunity
to introduce a modern hospitality concept to Port Angeles. The bamboo
brand emphasizes.
196 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Temporary design efficient guest experiences and updated amenities that
appeal to a broad range of travelers. The the development team is
currently refining their site layout and building design proud of formal
submittal. If it proceeds it would expand visitored capacity, support
activity along the east fr 1st corridor and add a fresh lodging option
within the city.
197 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Peninsula Behavioral Health at 01:18 East Eight Street has also completed
a pre application review. The plan includes a new three story outpatient
counseling and child therapy building designed to provide modern
accessible behavioral health services.
198 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Early coordination focused on site access, parking configuration, storm
water management, and fire and life safety considerations. The building
would strengthen local health infrastructure and expand service capacity
for the community. The Airtime Trampoline Park has moved from pre
application into formal permit review and is currently under.
199 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:18.720
Under reviewed by our departments. That transition from early discussion
to active review reflects steady progress on commercial recreation uses
in the city. An upcoming pre application meeting is scheduled for the
Franklin Elementary school replacement at 2505 South Washington Street.
200 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The effort includes demolition of the existing 1954 building and
construction of a new approximately 60000 sq ft elementary school. Design
priorities include improved parent and bus circulation, secure entry,
modern learning environments, and safe outdoor spaces.
201 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Early coordination will focus on site layout and traffic planning to
ensure to support safe access for students family and staff. The housing
related discussions are also anticipated, including adaptive reuse at
01:20 North Oak Street. That effort would introduce residential units
within an existing downtown building while upgrading.
202 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Building systems and and improving the interior. Incremental reuse like
this supports additional housing within the urban poor while making use
of established infrastructure. Overall, the current pipeline reflects the
balanced mix of private and public investment. Early coordination helps
applicants understand expectations up front and supports smoother, more
predictable former.
203 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Review. We'll continue to keep the commission informed as these efforts
move forward and that includes my update. Questions? Oh, just really
quickly, did I hear that the proposed hotel is on the 1000 block of East
1st.
204 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Yes. Okay, I'm just trying to place that in my mind down the strip aways.
Okay, thank you. All right. Thank you very much now for the building
report Not that this would ever go into question, but is now part of the
record that commissioner Stanley is cool.
205 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Exactly for pastority. In January, a total of 30 building permits were
issued, which is the same number as in January of 2025, the total
construction value in January was just over 10.1 million compared to.
206 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Approximately 5.1 million in January of last year. The two projects that
contributed significantly to this were project Peninsula for 7 million
and then as we had heard we had four duplex units with the trail side
subdivision over on 14th.
207 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Overall permits issued in January represent eleven new dwelling units
compared to seven at the same time last year, which is a 57 % increase.
In addition, we currently have permits in the pipeline representing 18
future dwelling units.
208 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Are there any questions? I feel like the numbers are are reflecting well,
but what just your general feeling, it sounds like you guys are pretty
excited about this upcoming year with we're getting more interest around
not just multifamily, but industrial and kind of commercial as well.
209 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Yeah, one thing we didn't mention is Bricks Marine moving down into the
water front, into the industrially on the water front. There's just a lot
like the number of pre application meetings we have right now is it's a
good sign for development this summer and like Jalen spoke of the the
amount of residential.
210 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Development that's not just SFR, but there's other things going on.
There's people who are taking advantage of our programs. I feel like
people are, who have taken advantage of the programs are like getting to
know them well enough that they're navigating those kinds of things a lot
more readily and it's it's actually making the development happen faster.
211 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So, yeah, everything's, we're, we're busy alright, any other comments
before we move on? Questions? All right. Then we will move on to reports
of commission mem.
212 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Numbers. I am gonna ask vice chair, Stanley to go last because I have
asked him to give a more in depth report, if you will, and he is so
graciously agreed to that. So I'm gonna start on left, anything from you?
So yeah, I'm actually.
213 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I'm working on a small development of my own and one of the things that,
has been interesting to me about the process is, you know, there's, I've
found that there, it seems like there are some tools in our tool chests
that are not being used as far as.
214 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Allowing for more housing. So e.g., I think there's something in the code
that says, you know, you can wave certain things if there's a compelling
reason, e.g., right? And I think most people would probably say that that
compelling reason is we're in a housing crisis, and some of these things
are not as important as the house for, so e.g. a sidewalk or a curb or a
gutter. Can we waive those things?
215 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Even though they're required in the code, because the compelling reason
is a housing crisis that we're in. Yes, we can. That is in your tool
chest. And so I think that there's more that we can do with some of those
tools, and that's all I would ask you guys to do is just look at some of
those things where I know that.
216 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Some of the things are down to interpretation and it is a risk at that
point, you know, if you're the most conservative interpretation, you're
lowering your risk. So I understand that. But at the same time, I think
part of this is.
217 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Working for creating more housing, and I think that's, you know, if there
is a tool in that tool chest, we should be using it. So thank you. Mr.?
Thank you. Commissioner Mela, did you have anything?
218 "Walker Mellema" (282919680)
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Nope, I'm good.
219 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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All right. I don't have too much, I will share, I was able to attend or
well I watched the recording at least of the city council meeting and
hearing from four PA and Habitat and Salvation army. That was great. I'm
really.
220 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Excited that the council is bringing in these people to help give us more
information, kind of the boots on the ground side of things. If anyone
has not watched that or didn't get a chance to, I highly encourage it was
a really good one too.
221 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Take a peek at. That's all I've got for my report, so I will hand it over
to you sir. Oh, thank you. Before I get into detailed comments, I just
wanted to 1st, I actually have a question I forgot to ask during the
reports, but I just wanted clarity you guys to exactly where the proposed
trampling part.
222 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Work might be located.
223 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's in a former right aid, but there are two former right aids. It's the
Yeah it's the the one that was big loss. Okay, ok, ok, not middle of
town. Interesting. So I just wanted to point out there will be a public
comment period right after this, so anyone who's invested in a.
224 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
01:14:32.210 --> 01:14:36.150
Whether the city should allow a trampoline park.
225 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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They can come and make a comment and say yes or NO after these comments.
So, having said that, exercise your rates, you know. Okay, so, I just
wanted to make a, you know, relatively quick, a bunch of comments about
my time on the commission. It's been a full eight years on the
commission. I've really appreciated the chance to.
226 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Represents the community, use some of the education I've I gained in the
open planning and geography and so on. It's been a real pleasure to work
with staff more or less over the past eight years. If it wasn't a little
bit of conflict, I wouldn't have been doing my job as a commissioner
here. And so it's a.
227 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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1st things 1st for the rest of the commission, it's really appointed to
work well with staff, and to trust them, but trust but verify. So we also
don't forget that we do have a watched our role here and we're appointed
by council, so, you know, we're still watching you guys. But overall I've
been I've just been really pleased with the professionalism.
228 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That staff has demonstrated in the field of urban planning for a city of
this size, I I think we would just do a rights out job in terms of the
professionalism of the.
229 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Adherence to modern standards that you see mostly in major American
cities that have a lot of money. I I've just been really really impressed
by it, so I hope you can continue that work. I just wanted to kind of
conclude my tenure here with just kind of reminiscing like like anyone
might do over, you know, some of the the good things that happened.
230 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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In the tenure. So, I wanted to bring up two sort of things in particular
that I've been proud of and of course I've only been a very small voice
in this overall process, obviously a council city staff have really
driven most of the things I'm gonna mention, but I'd like to think I've
had a, a small, but significant role in making some of these things
happen.
231 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The 1st I wanted to bring up was, you know, professionally I I'm an
academic. I work that I was in the state university. I've actually been
doing a lot of work, researching resilience planning across America,
municipalities, state governments, businesses, and so on. The different
types of plans they create. So I've been working a lot of literature that
goes out and comparing.
232 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
01:16:48.000 --> 01:17:08.000
There's different approaches across different cities and so on. There's a
lot of different material out there. And the other day I came across a
specific plan and I was not looking for it a lot, but I found that the
City Of Angeles was actually featured in a US Department of Energy case
study of resilience planning and its a.
233 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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It's implementation, its impact on local communities. And so you can see
up on the screen they've pulled it up for us, but I I found this plan
just out online here. This plan, this this overall report again by the
federal government compares five different cities in the country, and I
believe the other cities are Boston, maybe you've heard of it, same.
234 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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You know, very big cities we're being compared to. And if you read the
text of the actual report, it was very complimentary about the innovation
that is being proposed in the resiliency plan, our ability to enact a
plan of this complexity and impact in such a.
235 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And going into some of the the specific public procedures that here on
the commission that we helped to determine. And I, I feel like, you know,
I had only a small part in the actual writing of the plan or the, at
least the editing of the plan, but I do like to think I had an impact at
the outset when I.
236 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I threatened to write this plan myself or with fellow commission members
and scared the director at the time into going to the city council and
trying to get an actual professional team to do the plan instead of me
collecting carbon emissions data on my own. So, at the very least I had
some impact.
237 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:48.000
Whether it was in direct or not. But anyway, I just, again, I was just
really thrilled to see this out there and I just wanted to encourage
commission members to keep up the good work and to keep focusing here
because as you can see, we can have a a broader impact here, not just on
the city, but things like this, at least as an academic. I get it.
238 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Excited because this is being spread around and from what I've heard from
city staff, they get calls consistently from different departments around
the country asking about this plan, some of the other initiatives that
the city has done. Again, we've been very progressive in terms of some of
the reforms that we've made here. So again, I'm very proud of that, so
just wanted to bring up that, that whole thing.
239 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The other thing I wanted to bring up was really more of a sort of
personal anecdote that I actually just heard of last weekend from our
former commissioner, Steve Wexton. But basically, you know.
240 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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If you, if y'all remember, of course we pushed pretty aggressively in the
commission and obviously the city in particular pushed very aggressively
to increase the amount of density in housing in the city and types of
zoning code to allow, you know, for.
241 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Four to six units even on formerly single single family lots in
particular, which of course our entire city is made of those. And so.
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That kind of reform and that kind of density often gets a lot of pushback
from the public. In some cities that they can lead to fights that last
three years in in governance processes can get really nasty sometimes
even because people assume that density can be a negative thing for their
property. They assume it's gonna decrease their propert.
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Property values, and I think we're saying that's not the case, it depends
on where you're what you're talking about, but more and more, I think you
can make the case that's not going to happen. And so cities around the
country have been struggling to do that. The 1st city of our size to do
that I think is in particular was really impressive.
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And in very different. And of course we were responding to all sorts of
things. I remember being a peer and seeing one of the.
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The officers from the coast Guard stand up in a full uniform and talk
about how the biggest barriers of military readiness in their town was
the lack of housing for people at the base. It wasn't any of these other
factors. So I like to think that we did respond to that, but we didn't
get a ton of pushback at the time.
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And I'll bring this up because I was just talking to, from a commissioner
Luxon the other day, and he of course dramatically resigned from council,
from the commission over this exact issue. When I was talking to him, he,
he wanted to see the the process moved real quickly, and so we ended up
passing like I believe about six months after.
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He left the commission. He told me the story later that he actually moved
to Seattle after that. But when we passed these density regulations, I
don't think he was the only reason, but he ended up moving back to Portun
Angeles and starting to develop in our community again. And he's now
developed a number of successful four plex projects around town, and I
wanted to share in particular.
248 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The little story he told me cause it really bought it all back home to
me. He mentioned that of course when he actually develops these prop
projects, he does get pushed back from neighbors that are next door, that
might have a single family home. We're not appreciate having four or more
residents on different units right next to them. And he says it's pretty
common to get that kind.
249 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Pushback. He mentioned in particular, though, one of his his recent
projects getting a lot of pushback from neighbors in particularly coupled
I believe, who did not like the idea of knowing housing nice to them or
that kind of housing Nice to them.
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Apparently fast forward about six months, one of those other residents
started to have serious health problems and had to have a caretaker
coming every day. And apparently at 1st it was very hard to get a
caretaker to actually be able to show up every day at their residents.
However, at some point the caretaker was able to move into one of the
units that were.
251 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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This roaming store and rent successfully, and now they can come over
multiple times a day to take care of the couple and not only they have,
they have changed their tune as to the importance of having apartments
like that next to them. And so just wanted to say it was it was really
glad to find to hear that especially.
252 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Because again, I think especially in public forms like this, I'm sure the
city knows like you're gonna get a lot more negative comments about what
you do with a positive often, and I'm sure the people have heard negative
comments about these issues in general, you're not gonna hear stories
like that necessarily. And so I just wanted to put that out there on the
record as hopefully a motivation.
253 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So to staff as well as to the commission that.
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We really can't do good work here that can move the needle of our
community and make a real difference. Sometimes it does involve pushing
through some negativity and I hope everyone can continue to do that and
continue to look at the facts, consider our ideas, and make and make very
decisions about the future of our build environment.
255 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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So, yeah, I guess those were kind of the two anecdotes I wanted to share.
I think we did a lot of other great things, but overall, yeah, it's just
been an honor to, to serve in this position and.
256 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Just want to encourage everyone to to keep going, keep going strong and
my pleasure to come back in the last probably thank you very much. I feel
very much your junior being only, what, two years on.
257 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Here, we are gonna miss you and your experience and just from my position
I just want to say how much I appreciate you and what you brought to the
team. I have a quick question for staff. How many people in the last 20
years have done the full eight years? Do you have any idea? I mean, is it
like.
258 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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A fair number or is it a pretty limited number? I mean, there's somebody
in the room who could probably tell better than me. Yeah, Sherry kid,
maybe? Sherry kid. Okay. There may have been one or two others, but yeah,
it's it's very I mean and I would, I would go and say that's a.
259 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Across we have we have like several volunteer boards and it's the same on
all of those as well. Yeah.
260 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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All right. Well, I know we have fairly limited real power as the the
commission here. We just recommend things for the most part, but I do
have a motion. I would like to motion for city council to recognize Ben
Stanley's contributions to the planning commission over these last eight
years.
261 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I will second that. All right. Motion in second, any discussion? All in
favor? Hi. Hi. I guess I obstained but thank you so much. Thank you. All
right. Motion carries, so please pass that on to the.
262 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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City council.
263 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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For the record. Thank you. Yep. Awesome. Well, thank you. Alright, we
will move on to the public comment. I do have a procedural question
though before we do that. Do I have to reread the whole blurb each time?
264 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I don't think so. Alright, good enough, then we will open the public
comment. I'm not sure of the rules. Could you No, I'm just kidding. Hi,
John Roston City of Port Angeles resident.
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And your kids, is it this daughter that plays with my granddaughter
Junie? My granddaughter. Yeah, yeah. She's cool. Yeah, that's what I'm
just think. She was at a sleepover at our house the other night. Yeah,
and when I was a you.
266 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Being kid.
267 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The same age as your two children I used to play in the house that Ben
lives in. That was a long time ago. Anyway, I wanted to make I want to
validate the report that Tristan gave.
268 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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That, I I had two, what do you call them? Split, heat pumps put into a
couple of units and the permits were, you know, requested and issued
about the same day. But even.
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And then you you asked about, there was mentioned in the council about
contacts and what is considered a contact and So on the 24th I guess
that's yesterday at 937aMI sent a, email into the department.
270 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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About an existing building permit that I have, but I have not yet broken
ground.
271 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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And, it says When does my period expire as we don't know exactly when
we're gonna break ground, and could you please forward the section of
code that discusses that those time frames?
272 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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The email was sent to me, at 04:57 yesterday in the afternoon. So if I
sent it in at nine or ten before 05:00 that day, I had an answer, a very
thorough answer, so.
273 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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My kudos to Tristan and certainly the department. The only other comment
I was gonna make, when Ben 1st started working here or volunteering here
and doing a great job, I used to have.
274 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Hair like his eight years ago. I'm just kidding. You've done a great job
for the city and you'll be missed. I'll see you around though. Thank you.
Thanks so much Sean. Your resident.
275 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Well, I'm the other family. I live here, and I think the triplene park is
a very good idea. These treep leon parks are cool.
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And I hope it as good as the existing triplene park, I think she's like
in squim or something. It's a bit over. I think we need a trimplene park
the end.
277 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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I love it. No comments or nobody with their hands raised online. No one
with their hand raised online. Alright, then I will close the public
comment period. I have stumbled over closing these darn meetings, but I
did my homework, so I have followed right.
278 "Council Chamber" (447193600)
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Robert's rules. If there is NO further business, this meeting is
adjourned, and the time is 07:31.